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**DinoDoc** · April 29, 2003, 04:44

Originally posted by Serb
What kind of rebellion are you talking about?

However despite admitting to violence and the rebels' reign over parts of Chechnya, Rushailo stressed that preparations for the referendum were continuing.

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March 23 there was referendum there was 3 questions:

I wouldn't stake much on those results.

'Mockery' poll

First, threats by the rebels to thwart the referendum by new massive attacks.

Then, a row with the Council of Europe which refused to send in its observers, arguing that the war-like situation in Chechnya was not conducive to such a poll.

Now, a large body of Russian and Chechen public opinion says the referendum will be a mockery and a lie.

Thirty non-governmental organisations have petitioned President Putin to cancel the referendum.

They claim it was conceived by a group of pro-Moscow bureaucrats who do not represent anybody, and warn that its results would not be recognised by most Chechens.

They suspect the vote will be rigged by the military, who, they say, are the only real power in Chechnya.

On the other hand, they argue that the military have failed to establish any semblance of order in the republic.

BBC NEWS | Europe | Call to scrap Chechnya poll

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2848893.stm

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**Harovan** · April 29, 2003, 04:47

Originally posted by Serb
Btw, Do you really in Moscow currently or you just become a fan Vladimir Vysotsky.

I'm behind my work desk in Bavaria. I may pick a trip to Piter later this year, though. They celebrate 300 years since foundation.

I'm a fan of Vysotsky for more than 20 years, and currently am listening "Kak po Volge matushke" with my headphones

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**Serb** · April 29, 2003, 05:12

Originally posted by DinoDoc
However despite admitting to violence and the rebels' reign over parts of Chechnya, Rushailo stressed that preparations for the referendum were continuing.
http://www.cdi.org/russia/242-9.cfm

AND?
The preparations for the referendum were successfully continued. Referendum was more than a month ago.

I wouldn't stake much on those results.

You are using two month old sources, two month old sepculations of terorist supporters. Great!

First, threats by the rebels to thwart the referendum by new massive attacks.

Bull****. Their predictions were wrong.
There was no a single terrorist attack during referendum.

Then, a row with the Council of Europe which refused to send in its observers, arguing that the war-like situation in Chechnya was not conducive to such a poll.

Who cares? We said that ANY country, ANY foreign or domestic human right organistion could send its representatives to observe the referendum. Everyony who wanted to be there and wanted to see who Chechens make their choice did. If Council of Europe refused to send their representatives its their problem, not ours.

Now, a large body of Russian and Chechen public opinion says the referendum will be a mockery and a lie.

Bull****. Once again their predictions were wrong.
The independent observers from DOZENS of foreign countries and DOZENS of various organistations were there and none of them protested the results of this referendum Hell there were so many representatives of loacal opposition to Kremlin that if they found something suspicious they would made HUGE scadal, consider that soon will be parliament elections in Russia and compaign already started.
Once again all observers confirmed that elections were ABSOLUTELY fair.

Thirty non-governmental organisations have petitioned President Putin to cancel the referendum.

non-governmental organisations?
The same organiisations that covertly buying ammo and rifles for terrorists. Big deal.

They claim it was conceived by a group of pro-Moscow bureaucrats who do not represent anybody, and warn that its results would not be recognised by most Chechens.

AGAIN whine and super-bullsh!t, because those predictions were wrong too.
80%, [/QUOTE] 80 of all voters participated in referendum. Aprox. 96% said "YES" to new constitution, which says that Chechnya is part of Russia.
Case is closed.

They suspect the vote will be rigged by the military, who, they say, are the only real power in Chechnya.

Blah...blah...blah... See above about observers from foreign countries.
[QUOTE]On the other hand, they argue that the military have failed to establish any semblance of order in the republic.[/i]

BBC NEWS | Europe | Call to scrap Chechnya poll

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2848893.stm

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Yeah, sure.

Those guys prefer the "order" their masters established in Chechnya in 1996-1999. Order with SLAVERY, but without basic human rights. In comparison with kind of order which was in Chechnya when Maskhadov and all those "glorious freedom fighters" were in charge (after we withdrawn in 1996), modern Chechnya is heaven.

**Serb** · April 29, 2003, 05:19

Originally posted by Sir Ralph

I'm behind my work desk in Bavaria. I may pick a trip to Piter later this year, though. They celebrate 300 years since foundation.

I know

It would be a problem for you to find a hotel room now. I heard all hotels already pre-ordered.

I'm a fan of Vysotsky for more than 20 years, and currently am listening "Kak po Volge matushke" with my headphones

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Ralph, ty opredelenno silno "obrusevshii" nemez.

**Harovan** · April 29, 2003, 05:25

Originally posted by Serb
It would be a problem for you to find a hotel room now. I heard all hotels already pre-ordered.

I will stay with mother- and father-in-law.

Oh, </threadjack>, btw.

**Propaganda** · April 29, 2003, 06:10

I don't have much to say on the subject at hand, but I would like to say that I await the day we(all the people of the former Soviet republics) overthrow all the lying bastards of 1991(actually, 1956 would be more appropriate).

When this glorious day comes, I'll be in pursuit of Yeltsin, Putin, Gorbachev, Zhirinovsky, Zyuganov, etc. and I wont stop until I take all of the bastards down(with me, if that's what it takes).

And oh yes....

POWER TO THE SOVIETS!

**TCO** · April 29, 2003, 06:16

go directly to gulag

**Serb** · April 29, 2003, 06:25

I will stay with mother- and father-in-law.

You are lucky then. I heard there will be aproximately 2 millions of visitors during celabrations.

Oh, , btw.

Yes, but who cares? This thread isn't interesting, because it's unrealistic. "Russia+Germany+France vs. USA+GB" would be much better thread.

**Saras** · April 29, 2003, 06:29

Originally posted by Propaganda
I don't have much to say on the subject at hand, but I would like to say that I await the day we(all the people of the former Soviet republics) overthrow all the lying bastards of 1991

Dream on

**Serb** · April 29, 2003, 06:30

Ok, back to topic. I see majority of posters here believe that they'd be in Moscow in two weeks!

Two words for you guys: No way.

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**TCO** · April 29, 2003, 06:31

gulag

**Serb** · April 29, 2003, 06:33

Originally posted by GP
go directly to gulag

lead the way...

**Serb** · April 29, 2003, 06:34

Originally posted by GP
gulag

Me too?

Who is next in your list of future GULAG's victims?

**Propaganda** · April 29, 2003, 06:35

Originally posted by Serb

lead the way...

......to Guantanamo Bay...

LAAAAAA DE DAAAAAAAAAA

**Propaganda** · April 29, 2003, 06:36

Originally posted by Saras

Dream on

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