Could europe defend itself from a conventional Russian ground assault? 2.0

[Tattila the Hun]

Allright, this might have actually been an interesting topic, had it not been flooded with spam and... "trolls" previously.

Now, strategically and tactically speaking, takin to account armament, central command structure (the lack of), training and terrain, and the wild card of tact. nukes and the political willingness to use them, how would Europe fare against determined attack by the Russian Red Army?

One thing speaking against us europians is the lack of integration and differences between equipment, eg. not one big army but many smaller ones.

Try to make on-topic posts, will you.

[Skanky Burns]

Even excluding any American influence in such a war, other European powers posess nuclear capability, and would more than likely use them if nuclear weapons were used against them.

[DinoDoc]

Re: Could europe defend itself from a conventional Russian ground assault? 2.0

Originally posted by Tattila the Hun
how would Europe fare against determined attack by the Russian Red Army?

The Russian Army can barely hold thier own rebellious provinces together. How is it to mount a determined attack on Europe?

[Victor Galis]

The real question is how much would the Russian army soldiers sell their equipment to tourists for? I hear the fur hats used to go for 50DM in East Berlin.

[Dis]

didn't Russia struggle with one of their former republics recently? They had tanks in cities, but terrorists thwarted them.

The answer is yes

[Serb]

No one can defend itself from a conventional Russian ground assault.

BEWARE!!! RUSSIANS ARE COMING!!!

[Serb]

Re: Could europe defend itself from a conventional Russian ground assault? 2.0

Originally posted by Tattila the Hun
Now, strategically and tactically speaking, takin to account armament, central command structure (the lack of), training and terrain, and the wild card of tact. nukes and the political willingness to use them, how would Europe fare against determined attack by the Russian Red Army?

Well, strategically and tactically speaking...this poll is silly at best. Why in the hell Russia should attack Europe? We see Europe as our ally in future war versus USA.
When Yanks will piss-off you enough, you'll join our camp.

Try to make on-topic posts, will you.

Ok. Back to topic...
this poll is racist. What the hell do you think I should answer? "We would be slaughtered" But I am Russian and I believe that we wouldn't. Your poll offers no choice for Russian posters who belive that Russia will win.

Have a nice day

[Serb]

Re: Re: Could europe defend itself from a conventional Russian ground assault? 2.0

Originally posted by DinoDoc
The Russian Army can barely hold thier own rebellious provinces together.

Blah...blah...blah...

I don't notice a single rebellious province of Russia which is independent country now and which Russians were unable to hold.

You better watch how your troops holds Afghanistan or how they will hold Iraq in near future.

[DinoDoc]

Re: Re: Re: Could europe defend itself from a conventional Russian ground assault? 2.0

Originally posted by Serb
I don't notice a single rebellious province of Russia which is independent country now and which Russians were unable to hold.

Put down that rebellion in Chechnya yet.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Dissident
didn't Russia struggle with one of their former republics recently?

NO.
Chechnya never was the Republic of Soviet Union and it never was FORMER republic of Russia.
I think you have no idea about this issue as well as absolute majority of Americans.

They had tanks in cities, but terrorists thwarted them.

Yeah right.

It was divine intervention that saved Russians and killed/captured/forced those terrorists to surrender and capitulate.

[RGBVideo]

'We'? Who 'we'?

Theoretically, Europe would be crushed.
In reality, Russia would be crushed.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Tuomerehu
In reality, Russia would be crushed.

I'm taking bets on how. My bet is on the Chinese army saying hi to Serb when they capture his hometown while the bulk of the Russian army is in Europe.

[Harovan]

Oh yea, this thread was kind of yelling "Seeeeeeerb!"

Personally I think, that continental European armies combined can stand well against a hypothetical ground assault from Russia. That is basically all they can, with all their heavy equipment, large numbers of battle tanks and anti tank forces, and that is all they were designed for. Their ability to project their considerable ground force may be missing, but for fighting on own soil one doesn't need aircraft carriers, transport planes, long range bombers, light transportable armor, and alike. A larger number of precision weapons would be an asset, though.

But as was mentioned, Russia has enough problems of its own and doesn't really need to take the risk of such a hazardous move. As it stands, an American invasion is much more likely than a Russian one.

[Serb]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Could europe defend itself from a conventional Russian ground assault? 2.0

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Put down that rebellion in Chechnya yet.

What rebellion?
Anti-terrorist campaign was finished two years ago. Last two years there was police/special services operations only. Several months ago regular army started to withdraw from Chechnya. March 23 there was referendum there was 3 questions:
1) Do you accept new constiution of Chechen Republic (First paragraph of this constitution says that Cechen Republic is part of Russian Federation).
2) Do you accept new law about elections of president of Chechen Republic?
3) Do you accept new law about elections of parliament of Chechen Republic?
About 96% of voters answered YES to all three questions. Observers from dozens of foreign countries confirmed that it was absolutely fair referendum.

What kind of rebellion are you talking about?
Currently republic is under reconstruction and soon there will be president and parliament elections.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Oh yea, this thread was kind of yelling "Seeeeeeerb!"

Yeah
But I'm afraid that every thread which yelling "Seeeerb!" at the beginning, later wispers- "tsss.....Ming"

Btw, Do you really in Moscow currently or you just become a fan of Vladimir Vysotsky.

As it stands, an American invasion is much more likely than a Russian one.

Yes. That's why we should unite. Together we can get rid of American menace.