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  • #136
    Sorry, I posted that too quickly... IIRC, the 3 million figure includes as many as 1.5 million reserves and about 1 million security police.

    My point still stands: an army of 4 million is possible, but certainly not as an invasion force (although I can see them invading Pavesia with an army that large, had Pave not changed spots, but with an admittedly small navy... sending a force that large to Azan is out of the question).
    ~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~

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    • #137
      cant question the hive, what they say is gospel !!!

      all his planes are in azan , 4 million troops there, his entire navy is seeking out my merchant ships...

      Does this leave any one else with the idea that the hive is no undefended agaisnt a land invasion !!! with so many other nations around surprising no one taken advantag eof it !!!
      GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71

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      • #138
        That's not what we're saying, Ras... I've criticised Lazerus a lot already. I've felt he's gone way overboard at times with his SMAC theme. The rest of us are trying to roleplay this as realistically as possible. That means if someone raises a criticism, we try to address it.

        I think you can either try to play it realistically (which in this case means acknowledging attacks on your shipping... and, in fact, that you would rely heavily on surface transport) or get into a pointless flame-war with Lazerus.

        In terms of the roleplay itself, I think having Auldoninna in the game as an erratic great power adds a lot. It throws off the whole "good vs. evil" dynamic in the FCL/Azan roleplay. You just need to recognise that your nation won't be trusted.
        ~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~

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        • #139
          he stil lhasnt acknowledge my bombing runs so i wont acknowledge his shipping attacks, simple really....
          GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71

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          • #140
            I thought he did... I'll dig through the thread again.
            ~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~

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            • #141
              if you find it cut and paste his losses ... then il lpost my losses on shipping lines....
              GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71

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              • #142
                Here's what he said:

                "Chairman the reports are greatly exaggerated, only the nation of Auldoninna has dared to attempt a bombing raid against us, most damage was done by incoming cruise missiles, and those are trying to hit specific locations rather then maximum damage. The last bombing raid we succesfully engaged the enemy air force and they fled losing 39 bombers and 12 fighters in the retreat. It is why i believe the other nations are hesitant to attack us."
                He didn't post his losses, but he did acknowledge the attack, just as he acknowledged the attack on Tel Azan. His response was to make you look bad in Tel Azan, and to go after your supply lines.

                My read of the situation is that you should acknowledge his actions (which you did in Tel Azan, but not in terms of shipping), and then react in turn. Given that you now have the full support and cooperation of the Azanis, I think you are free to walk all over his "small garrison in the city" and wait for a Hive counter-attack.

                So post something about your navy's defence of your shipping lanes, and then take care of the Hive in Tel Azan.
                ~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~

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                • #143
                  Originally posted by joncha
                  Here's what he said:



                  He didn't post his losses, but he did acknowledge the attack, just as he acknowledged the attack on Tel Azan. His response was to make you look bad in Tel Azan, and to go after your supply lines.

                  My read of the situation is that you should acknowledge his actions (which you did in Tel Azan, but not in terms of shipping), and then react in turn. Given that you now have the full support and cooperation of the Azanis, I think you are free to walk all over his "small garrison in the city" and wait for a Hive counter-attack.

                  So post something about your navy's defence of your shipping lanes, and then take care of the Hive in Tel Azan.
                  Yes saw that but as he didnt lose anything i felt i am jsutified in not having my shipping hit..

                  i already posted in thread that all our ships were still avaialbe and that nay ships he hit were obviously his own..


                  As for tel azan, i was hoping to get a post from azazeal before i complete the pincer movement of his totally unsupplied troops, no ships in ,we control the airport.. !!!!!
                  GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71

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                  • #144
                    You see, when you react in that way, you don't give anyone a reason to support you. As I said... it just ends up looking like a flame war.

                    He acknowledged he was attacked, but he just didn't reveal the extent of the damage. Fair enough. All that does is give you a free hand to follow up.

                    You don't have to say "I lost X number of ships," just acknowledge that his actions had some impact, and move on. Whether he roleplays fairly or not (and right now I think he's doing an ok job of it) is besides the point when it comes to how you roleplay.
                    ~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~

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                    • #145
                      Hard to continue my attacks without confirmation of the success of my attacks on his infrastructure..

                      but ok , will post about the next stage soon.....
                      GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71

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                      • #146
                        Hi, sorry I was gone for a day or so. Tel Azan troops ARE supplied, since we've caputured the Tel Azan-Concept Highway (A-6) - (A-50) interchange. ( read war thread )
                        urgh.NSFW

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                        • #147
                          well done my great and wndrous ally!!!
                          GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71

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                          • #148
                            Make that A-99 instead of A-50
                            urgh.NSFW

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                            • #149
                              hopefully joncha can post an updated map in his wonderous style soon...
                              GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71

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                              • #150
                                Originally posted by joncha
                                You see, when you react in that way, you don't give anyone a reason to support you. As I said... it just ends up looking like a flame war.

                                He acknowledged he was attacked, but he just didn't reveal the extent of the damage. Fair enough. All that does is give you a free hand to follow up.

                                You don't have to say "I lost X number of ships," just acknowledge that his actions had some impact, and move on. Whether he roleplays fairly or not (and right now I think he's doing an ok job of it) is besides the point when it comes to how you roleplay.
                                Thanks, Jon.

                                Everyone - everyone - even if you're Apolyton's pre-eminent military power - has to be reasonable. You have to have both weaknesses and strengths. You have to take casualties when it is reasonable to take casualties. You have to lose the war, when it is reasonable to lose the war.

                                I've seen how these things often go. (Ask me about the Pirates in the Chiron Chronicle some time.) And when they go that way, no-one has fun. And you people wouldn't want that, would you?
                                Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost.

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