Colonies

[Pedrunn]

It worked! It Worked!
I think it is a good idea and it did worked . One of the things i always thought funny was the city bein in the unit.txt and since i could change the units, why not change the cities?

The first thing in my mind was to make the Leviathon has Pop and can build but it did not work out.
Then a lamp lighted over my head . Why not make Colonies like civ3 to get resources? And it did worked.

Here is what i did:

1) I Copied the UNIT_CITY, paste it and changeg the name to UNIT_COLONY. I deleted the lines city growth coefficient and NeedsNoSupport. I also gave it a simbolic foodhunger.

2) I created the unit Colonizer. A settler with the lines SettleCityType UNIT_COLONY and SettleSize 0.

3) I went over the Citysize*.txt files and where there was the CITYSIZE_ZERO i changed the line RadiusVision from 1.414 to 0 in all these files.

As a result i got a Unit (the colonizer) that could settle a Colony: City wich has Pop 0, cant grow and does not have radius (The radius is the colony itself).

Conclusions: This new city type could be used to get Goods outside of yours cities borders but it does not need roads like in civ3 what i think it is better because that way you can build overseas colonies. And it still can build what isnt a bad feature it even looks realistic.

We just need to teach the AI to build this colonies over the Goods and to make the colonies disband itself when another city's radius reachs it. A new city sprite was also going to be nice although the Ancient Palace type of city sprite of Martins CityMod2 looks perfect.

What you guys think? Any pros and cons?

[Cube]

cool!

How about making it size 1, I don't like size 0 there have to be some people. Could you post the file or the text you edited. I think making the leviathon able to build would be great, but only units. That way you could have units made in the leviathon. I think the reason you couldn't get the leviathon to build stuff is that it can move.

[Pedrunn]

Having size 0 is what makes it work. To get this annoyng zero out of the colony we need a new sprite. but i cant make it. Can anyone make this sprite? Martin couldnt you just take the name and the number of the city out of the Ancient palace sprite of your CityMod2?

Still there are the folowing problems:
-The AI wouldnt know how to use it
-It takes a tile of a city when this city expands its radius over it
- It becomes a regular city when it receives a slave .
-It expands the civ borders too much.

This problems are the ones i could not solve any suggestions?

Here are the things i changed in the text files:

I added in the Unit.txt

UNIT_COLONY {
   Description DESCRIPTION_UNIT_CITY
   DefaultIcon ICON_UNIT_CITY
   DefaultSprite SPRITE_CITY 
   Category UNIT_CATEGORY_GENERIC
   Attack 0
   Defense 0
   ZBRangeAttack 0
   Firepower 0
   Armor 0
   MaxHP 0
   ShieldCost 0
   PowerPoints 1000
   ShieldHunger 0
   FoodHunger 20
   MaxMovePoints 0
   VisionRange 0
   ActiveDefenseRange 0
   LossMoveToDmgNone
   MaxFuel 0
   HasPopAndCanBuild
   CantBuild
   NoIndex
   CantCaptureCity
   SoundSelect1 SOUND_SELECT1_CITY
   SoundSelect2 SOUND_SELECT2_CITY
   SoundMove SOUND_MOVE_CITY
   SoundAcknowledge SOUND_ACKNOWLEDGE_CITY
   SoundCantMove SOUND_CANTMOVE_CITY
   SoundAttack SOUND_ATTACK_CITY
   SoundWork SOUND_WORK_CITY
   SoundVictory SOUND_VICTORY_CITY
   SoundDeath SOUND_DEATH_CITY

   CanSee: Standard
   MovementType: Land
   MovementType: Mountain
   Size: Medium
   VisionClass: Standard

   Revolution {
      Sound SOUND_ID_REVOLUTION
      Effect SPECEFFECT_REVOLUTION
   }
}

and this one has to be added after the Settler Data:

				
##	UNIT	101	
UNIT_COLONIZER	{		
DefaultIcon	ICON_UNIT_SETTLER		
Description	DESCRIPTION_UNIT_SETTLER		
DefaultSprite	SPRITE_SETTLER		
Category	UNIT_CATEGORY_SETTLER		
Attack	0		
Defense	10		
ZBRangeAttack	0		
Firepower	1		
Armor	1		
MaxHP	10		
ShieldCost	300		
PowerPoints	300		
ShieldHunger	0		
FoodHunger	0		
MaxMovePoints	200		
VisionRange	1		
EnableAdvance	ADVANCE_TRADE	
ActiveDefenseRange	0		
MaxFuel	0		
CanSee:	Standard		
	 		
MovementType:	Land		
MovementType:	Mountain		
Settle:	Land		
Settle:	Mountain	
Size:	Small		
VisionClass:	Standard		
SoundSelect1	SOUND_SELECT1_SETTLER		
SoundSelect2	SOUND_SELECT2_SETTLER		
SoundMove	SOUND_MOVE_SETTLER		
SoundAcknowledge	SOUND_ACKNOWLEDGE_SETTLER		
SoundCantMove	SOUND_CANTMOVE_SETTLER		
SoundAttack	SOUND_ATTACK_SETTLER		
SoundWork	SOUND_WORK_SETTLER		
SoundVictory	SOUND_VICTORY_SETTLER		
SoundDeath	SOUND_DEATH_SETTLER		
LossMoveToDmgNone			
NoZoc			
CanBeExpelled			
CantCaptureCity			
DeathEffectsHappy			
BuildingRemovesAPop			
OnlyBuildOne			
IsSpecialForces			
Civilian			
SettleCityType	UNIT_COLONY		
SettleSize	0		
}

This one has to be raplace all the CITYSIZE_ZERO data in all the Citysize*.txt

CITYSIZE_ZERO {
		Population	 0
		SquaredRadius	 0
		IntRadius	 0
		MaxWorkers	 0
		GrowthRate 	 60
		MinGrowthRate 	 2500
		MaxSurplusFood 	 250
		BaseOvercrowding   4
		BaseMaxPop 	 0
		VisionRadius	 0
}

I will try to solve the given problems

[Immortal Wombat]

If you create a building "colony", make it unbuildable, and include it as one of the automatically built buildings in a colony, then you can use it to distinguish colonies from cities.
Then you can disallow colonies from building for instance, wonders, or certain buildings and units.

eg.

mod_CanCityBuildWonder(city_t colony, int_t wonder)
{
 if(CityHasBuilding(colony, "IMPROVE_COLONY")){
    return 0;
 } else{
    return 1;
 }
}

[centrifuge]

Awesome Job Pedrunn

[child of Thor]

nice work pedrunn(you must have stopped the World Cup celebrations i guess? ), this could be a great little strategic addition to CTP2 - i'm all for that. Will it be able to be killed like a normal city upon capture? Or maybe the invaiding army would be able to take it over?that would make you want to keep units around to protect it?

[Immortal Wombat]

this thread is nearly a year old...

[Locutus]

IW,
Why spoil one of only 64 building on it? Terraforming the terrain or adding a tileimp will do just as well...

The only real problem I see with this solution is slavery: you want to stop it from becoming a real city due to slavery at all cost, but I don't see how this could be accomplished...

[Immortal Wombat]

Terraforming the terrain or adding a tileimp will do just as well...

Almost. Terraforming would destroy the good, tileimps can be laid under cities?
I thought the 64 building limit was only to those that could be built and have an effect? It you place it as the 65th, then it wouldn't need to even have an effect, just to be there.

[HuangShang]

Great idea!!!!!

whys there such a big gap b/w Pedrunn's and Immortal Wombat's first posts?

[Immortal Wombat]

I couldn't be bothered to reply 10 months ago. Then Locutus linked to it in the Civ3 resources thread, and I thought this thread was worth bumping. Its a good idea.

[Locutus]

Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
Almost. Terraforming would destroy the good, tileimps can be laid under cities?

D'oh! Good point about the terraforming.

Yes, laying tile imps under cities works just fine...

[centrifuge]

Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
this thread is nearly a year old...

That'll teach me to skim through the posts, without looking at the dates

Anyway, it is a good idea and has a lot of potential for adding a great addition to the game.

[Locutus]

The only real problem I see with this solution is slavery: you must at all cost avoid that colonies can turn into regular cities due to slavery, but I see no way of realizing this (except by disallowing any units from entering the colony, but that doesn't make sense either). I think all the other issues can be worked out, but I'm not too sure about this one...

[HuangShang]

what does the colonizer cost: 1pt or 1/2 pt or just the resouces