Apolyton Pack v1.0! CTP2 the way it should be!

[Morr-go]

Dale, thanks! I'll test those instructions soon. (And come back whining if those won't work )

[Oddible]

Am loving the Apolyton Pack, thanks so much for everyone's efforts.

Having some issues perhaps some can elucidate...
Playing on Gigantic Maps

1) After I hit End Turn and just prior to the AIs' turns (as indicated by the color turn bar), periodically the system takes FOREVER to advance to the AI turns. The turn bar is black, the End Turn button has stopped blinking, nothin I do has any effect until the first AI's turn starts. Sometimes its just a few seconds, but at times, the wait can be up to 3-5 minutes!!! Will the 1.01 update help? Has anyone else seen this?

2) Same game, I am very far into this game. The saved game loads fine, but when I hit end turn, as soon as the first AI's turn starts, the game crashes and unloads. Worked fine until this turn (2568?). I can't get around this and its pretty much killing me. Have I played too long? Is there a maximum year I can play to? How do I get around this?!?

Any ideas appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

[Dale]

Morr-go:
Good luck mate.

Oddible:
Thanks. Now to your questions:
1 - Gigantic and the Ultra-gigantic maps take a LOT out of your PC. I have a P3-666 with 256 RAM and I get long slowdowns after a few hundred turns. This is probably what's happening.
2 - End game year in Apolyton Pack = 2200AD. Anything after that is lucky.

[janilxx]

wrong thread, sorry

[PapaMonkey]

City Walls

This mod is great. Very challenging. I am by no means an expert, so I am getting my butt whipped!

Question though. I am being attacked (frequently!) at my cities. Anytime I defend a city with a City wall I loose the wall. Is this intentional?!? I often loose pop too, but I kinda expect that. Loosing the wall really hurts. It is a one shot deal?!?

Just let me know if that is the way it should be or not. And thanks for making this great MOD.

[Martin Gühmann]

2) Same game, I am very far into this game. The saved game loads fine, but when I hit end turn, as soon as the first AI's turn starts, the game crashes and unloads. Worked fine until this turn (2568?). I can't get around this and its pretty much killing me. Have I played too long? Is there a maximum year I can play to? How do I get around this?!?

So far as I know there is no limit but as I gave the AI every tech and enough PW to be able to build every tile improvement, I went into the same problem. So here is my question How many techs have the AI. Discovered it the gaia controller and if yes it is able to build obelisks? To test this you should open the cheat editor and remove this advance or the PW and test. You should also try this in an unmodded game giving the AI all advances a enough PW.

So you will see what will happen.

-Martin

[Dale]

Apolyton Pack update v1.02!

Here it is guys, the final update. I can now breath easy.

Fixes:
- Aqueduct bug where it didn't appear for some people.
- Air unit SLIC error. Slight modification to airunit.slc file.
- Terraforming. Hills now terraformable with Advance: Explosives.

Available from:

http://www.mydocsonline.com

Login name: hexagonia
password: hextapul

Go to folder Apolyton Pack and download the file apolyton_update_1.02.zip


Unzip the file to your base Call to Power 2 directory (default: C:\PROGRAM FILES\ACTIVISION\CALL TO POWER 2\ or C:\PROGRAM FILES\CALL TO POWER 2\).

IMPORTANT:
1. Read the readme.txt in the Apolyton Readmes folder. Has been updated!
2. You MUST start a new game and reload the Apolyton Pack through the Modswapper. The Great Library has been changed and must be updated.

Well, that's it for me. It's been fun modding for CTP2 and I thank everyone for their help/suggestions/compliments.

[janilxx]

As you might know I have tried to get a "perfect" gaming enjoyment a long time with MedPack. But I think I did not

got as many wars or city captures as other players. So what did I do?

I burned Apolyton pack and took that home.


My first game:
Normal size map, 8 players. Impossible and hardest barbarians(first time ever the hardest barbarians).

Weird things:
1. AI started to build wonder(pyramids) in second turn. And in turn three or four pyramids was ready. That was quite

fast wasn't that
2. Many AIs started to build wonders very early. That is ok if AIs are so much powerful than I and they get many

cities quite fast in the beginning of the game.

Barbarians:
I saw barbarians with catapults at the beginning of the game. I did not see one catapult unit but many. That felt so

unrealistic that I ended my game and started new one.


My second game:
Normal size map, 8 players. Impossible and level 2 barbarians(normal).

In first 50 turns I saw two wars!!! I was not in those but there were wars(there were only few wars in MedPack). In

turn 75 I gt third war. And in 86 I got the fourth. And in this point I really thought that this is CTP2 the way

it should be! I have not heared city capture sounds but from CTRL-K dialog I saw that at least one AI have been

beated quite badly.

I offered 100 money to my neighbor and he accepted that. But that fu**ing bastard did ask for another 100 money in

next turn(and he was angry)! I loved that! This is an another thing that I did not see with MedPack.

I will hear often slaver voice when someone gets slavers(but actually I am quite sure those slavers are taken from

orange player(than god ). So this means that slavers are used a lot in the beginning of the game. Good!

About in turn 90 I went to sleep but I checked CTRL-K dialog and saw that I suck a lot. I was totally a piece of

****. The number one was about ten times "bigger" than I. And if I remember right the number 7 was about 5-7 times

as "big" as I am. So I am really a sucker. This means that AIs will get more helps in the beginning of the game than

in MedPack but I do not think that this is a bad thing. Maybe this just means that impossible really is impossible

and usually players should play in second hardest level(not the hardest(impossible)).


I think that CTP2 could after all be a game worth to play!


Thanks modders!

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Day2.
I did not got my post sent yesterday(that post is above). So I played more yesterday evening. I saw one more war and

I saw one citycapture. There might have been more city captures but now I have confirmed one.

The game is still great and very hard I saw another AI. He had 10 cities and you can guess how many I had... I

had three cities in that point My starting point was too bad. There were only room for three cities. But now I

have expanded a little and I have 7 cities. And I am very slowly getting higher in CTRL-K list

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Day3.
Again... I couldn't send my post yesterday. I hope Apolyton works fine now.
Now I have seen almost 10 citycaptures. The game seems to be very good. There is only few questions. Does AI's make peace with other AI ever(with whom he is at war)? And what does it mean that AI's diplomat is meeting mine in even ground(or something like that it was(message popped))?

And I finally got my possibility to suggeeed in the game. In turn 207 I got monarcy. Now it is time to get those older advances(like slaverly etc).

[hexagonian]

Hey Janilxx



CTP2 does have potential, doesn't it!!!! That's what we been trying to say. (for all of you lurkers out there who are skeptical of the whole CTP series)

The settings in DiffDb do give the AI a lot of benefits. Some people may think this is unfair, but the fact is all of the civ-style games (CIV2, SMAC and I suspect CIV3) use this principle to help the AI - The settings in the out-of-the-box CTP2 game did not push the envelope enough, and actually made it easier for the human player to catch the AI when the AI had a lead.

That's no longer the case now...

As for the barbarians/catapult setup, the barbs are released as the most advanced unit available to any of the civs - it is entirely possible that one of the other civs has the ability to build catapults already.

But that can also be due to the fact that you are playing on the hardest settings. I do know that the Apolyton Pack settings are harder than MedMod (since those settings are from Cradle)

Good luck

[janilxx]

Originally posted by hexagonian
CTP2 does have potential, doesn't it!!!! That's what we been trying to say. (for all of you lurkers out there who are skeptical of the whole CTP series)

You might remember me from the MedPack thread. I have whined out there a lot that AI is too nice or kind to me. (I have tried MedPack since its first public beta(I suppose it was february or march?). And I have heard that AI is aggressive with many players but it was not aggressive in my games.

But when I tried Apol Pack I got the aggressive AI that I wanted. Now I have had many city captures and wars.

BTW does AI vs AI wars ever end?

As for the barbarians/catapult setup, the barbs are released as the most advanced unit available to any of the civs - it is entirely possible that one of the other civs has the ability to build catapults already.

I suppose this was the ccase because I was playing impossible. But I hated that, there were too many barbarians. Now I am playing with normal barbarians settings.

But that can also be due to the fact that you are playing on the hardest settings. I do know that the Apolyton Pack settings are harder than MedMod (since those settings are from Cradle)

Yes I am playing hardest(impossible). And the start was hard. In fact it was not hard but I was just a really badly the worst player. Ten times worse than the number one. But I headed right to the monarcy and after that I got a good boost. And then I headed to the Diplomatic and recognized that I got republic with diplomatics too So my nation is republic and the year is 1AD. Now I am really getting upper in CTRL-K list. I suppose I am number 5 or 6(total 8) in rank.

I have not been in wars because I have tried to be a nice guy to all AIs.

[Morr-go]

Well I'm back, but hold that curse word there...IT DOES WORK!
The instructions made me see the big picture and then after some thinking I tried something new and it it works!
Thanks a dozen for that, but say...do you know if there's any way to move back the "dead-line" (the game ends normally 2200 A.D if I remember right)?

[hexagonian]

Originally posted by janilxx
BTW does AI vs AI wars ever end?

The Apolyton Pack uses Diplo 3.6, which should allow the AI to make peace with one another. Cradle uses 3.5 which locks the AI into a warmoger state - MedMod is the most diplomatic/peaceful of the mods (it uses a slightly different version of 3.6).

Needless to say, I prefer 3.5, and am happy with a more unpredictable and backstabbing AI.

Originally posted by janilxx
Yes I am playing hardest(impossible). And the start was hard. In fact it was not hard but I was just a really badly the worst player. Ten times worse than the number one. But I headed right to the monarcy and after that I got a good boost. And then I headed to the Diplomatic and recognized that I got republic with diplomatics too So my nation is republic and the year is 1AD. Now I am really getting upper in CTRL-K list. I suppose I am number 5 or 6(total 8) in rank.

From what I can tell, the AI will act different based on its standing on the Power Graph. In my games, when I was near the bottom of the chart, I could not dictate terms to the AI (seems realistic to me), but once I got a good lead on some of the civs, I could demand peace/stop tresspass and get it. So boosting the AI at the beginning of the game will actually make for a better game in the long haul. Comparing MedMod, Cradle, and Apolyton Pack, the AI will start out with more advances, gold, settlers in ApolytonPack/Cradle.

If you want to try an experiment, go into the DiffDb.txt files for both ApolytonPack and MedMod and compare the numbers. You could boost the numbers in MedMod, so that the AI will get more advances/settlers/gold/PW at the beginning of the game.

Same with the risks.txt (goody hut and barb settings). Compare the two and see what you want to change in MedMod. My preference is to remove the ability to get free advances, and severely limit getting new cities/settlers, because those will greatly close the gap between the human player and the AI in the early going. The consequence is that you catch and overtake the AI a lot sooner, and then complain that the game is too easy I believe that adjusting those two files in MedMod will change the nature of a MedMod game.

If you want to take it further, compare MedMod's strategies.txt and Goals.txt files with the ones in Cradle/ApolytonPack. Those numbers will dictate the priorities for the AI including attacking, pillaging, exploring goody huts and so forth.

Morr-go
Locate the APOL.const.txt file (or whatever Dale used for his file prefix) - there is a line of text in there that determines the ending year of the game. Change it to whatever you want.

You will know it when you see it

[janilxx]

Originally posted by hexagonian
If you want to try an experiment, go into the ...

Thanks for telling that. Maybe I will try to change medpack's values someday but now I am going to play few games to the end(I have not played further than to year 1500AD after I started to test medpack in february). And one my game will last about 1-2 months so maybe I will try this in december

[Todesengel]

hm, can´t build the zero crime bill, althoug all related files (ver 1.02 are looking all right to me. Has anybody faced the same problem? Any ideas?


Praise the Dale

[Rusty Nail]

Dale: Your name/password does not work for me. Error message. Is something morre required, like a registration first?