Demosthenes Semi Acc Part II

[The True Demosthenes]

Turn 62 ==> Jon

Ok, let's see if we can fathom out this bug. I haven't been hit by it, neither have the Egyptians I believe.

I think that the game is on either Emporer or Deity, and I don't beleive that I have any of CD's mod in my setup.

[Jon]

Turn 62 to Caligula

The game is certainly not on Deity or Emperor with the level of population growth and general happiness that I'm getting.

Riots persist but progress is made. The plebian section of the community will always find cause for complaint!

My apologies to Noble Rick but he must understand Inca caution at the prescence of any armed forces upon their borders. An Assyrian Diplomat is most welcome and can be assured that we will lay on a particularly impressive human sacrifice in his honour.

High Priest Jon.

[MOBIUS]

Caligula has to concur with High Priest Jon that the difficulty level of this World is neither Emperor or Deity...

The only patch I'm running is the 1.2 patch and nothing else - I've moved the Dutchcheese files well away from the ctp folder. That saying, I'd don't have the 'Hack' patch either - which could be significant?

Only one city was rioting this turn.

High Priest Jon, my diplomat has arrived at the gates of Ancon in preparation of setting up a new embassy.

As for the barbarian problem there definitely appear to be considerable numbers stalking this World - only last turn one of our settlers was set upon and killed! This barbarian has subsequently been despatched by a regiment of Roman Musketeers!

PAX


MOBIUS

[Rick Elkins]

Turn 62 ---> Sophanthro

The captain of our SOL says "Ahoy there and greetings" to the captain of the Welsh ship off our southern coast. But beware, for shoals and sandbars abound in these regions! We plan to sail to the legendary island of the Welsh after visiting the Incan nation, and hope to be granted permission, noble Demosthenes. We will send our estimated timetable very soon.

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Good riddance to the nasty Barbarian, Emperor Caligula. They are all murderous thugs who must be stopped!


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We are pleased that our offer of an Embassy has been accepted by High Priest Jon, and will be arriving shortly. Our captain will decide upon a destination after consulting his charts.

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Meanwhile, the plague has hit us harder today than ever before. ELEVEN CITIES have fallen under the evil spell, and most disturbing, one had it last turn and hasn't gotten better. All with high happiness ratings, too. Dutcheese is no longer installed, and still this happens. And while production seems to be continuing, food production is not, and combined with the need to increase food to increase happiness, this problem begins to handicap affected players. I'll check for more detailed information of how this is affecting cities after work, but this is worrisome.

King Rick

[MOBIUS]

Guys - perhaps we should call a moratorium on this game until we can sort it out.

Riots in ELEVEN cities is just plain UNFAIR...

If Sophix and Demos can post their Civ Ctp set ups - what goes where and anything they did - I've been opening direct from the icon, etc...

Perhaps the rest of us can emulate all of this - it could be the hack file, if so where can I download it from?

[Rick Elkins]

Actually, I wouldn't mind playing through to my next turn to see if the riots leave the eleven cities. So unless anyone else objects, I think Sophanthro should play his turn and then lets all try playing anther cycle and then evaluate where we are.

Also, I keep wondering about Burchill's game. There are no riots there, and yet Jon, Mobius and myself are all playing there. And we three are the recipients of the riots in this game. And he's using the same mod as we're using here. Just mentioning the odd coincidence in case anyone sees anything significant there.

[Sophanthro]

Turn 63 ==> Demosthenes

Ok, my setup is factory(strait of the CD), Patch 1.2, and hack 1.2.1. That's it. I started my first 4 turns by loading thru the scenario.

We are playing at Chieftan level. City size unhappiness starts at size 6+.

Anyways I checked thru the prevalent files (DiffDb, Const.txt) Everything pretaining to riots there is normal. Grr! Doesn't tell us a whole lot does it.

OK, I just had my little brother run thru a couple of turns. Having him check whether or not there was riots. The cities were rioting, in many cases these riots occured with the cities having more happy points then sad points. I had him run thru two turns and riots still happened on the scond turns. What does that mean?

It isn't anyones currrent setup. So at the moment Im stumped.

Im going to try something elso, running the Game turns thru Linux. Why? The Linux version reports certain errors (AI errors etc.) strait to the terminal which Windows doesn't. But Im going to have to wait til someone bit older then my little brother, can check that for me.

Egyptian Riot Commitee Report.

[The True Demosthenes]

I think the bujrchill connection is a valid one. When Jon had problems in that game it did affect Semi Acc, which uses the same mod as this does it not?

Sophix I appreciate your efforts here, I know it's a pain in the arse. If I can help in any way let me know, but be mindful of my very limited technical knowledge.

Also, my mail account has gone haywire, so could you contact me through this address until further notice:

Demosthenes@fsmail.net

[Jon]

Re The Riot Syndrome.

I don't know if this might give someone some ideas but prior to the all the confusion about freebie Graneries and CW's in this and Burchill's game I had always used the DC files in my main Directory rather than the originals as they seemed to have no other impact than allowing the use of various Acc-Start Mods.

I had never experienced this strange and very frustrating Riot problem before but I have now found that it has manifested itself in the Dutcheese game I am in where I found Three Cities affected two of which, due to another weirdo occurance, had Happiness in the high 80's!

Might the problem lie not with DC but actually with the lack of it?

[Sophanthro]

Turn resent to Demos, not sure if he got it or not sounds, like he did but better safe than sorry.

Don't worry about it. If I can figure out the problem, then the satisfaction makes it all worth while Since we have no clue at present what might be causing the riots, there not much anyone can do but bring forward ideas.

The only difference I see between this game and Burchill's, is that we are playing at chieftan.

[The True Demosthenes]

Turn 63 ==> Jon

The Romans appear to go from strength to strength. The near completion of their scientific research centre can only consolidate their huge lead in world rankings. The Government Organisation of Scientific Hunger (GOSH) is looking in to ways of catching up with the Romans before it is no longer possible to do so.
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OK, I'm in two quick-start games. Semi Acc had problems, but that was due to CD's mod and is now sorted. This game is causing great confusion. At what stage are you at in Burchill's game, as this and Semi Acc are about the same level of development. In fact, I believe that this game is slightly ahead of Semi Acc, does this mean we should anticipate problems in Semi Acc aswell?
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I'm moving house on Monday, so I may not be able to play any turns between Monday afternoon and Wednesday morning.

It looks like the glitch was only temporary, good job as the reserve account is unreliable at the best of times. I'm now looking for a new server, to go with the new home, but for the meantime, contact me through my normal account.

ender@wiggin99.fsnet.co.uk

Sorry for the problems guys, hopefully this time next week I'll be sorted out for good.

[Jon]

Turn to Mobius.

[MOBIUS]

The Coliseum of Rome has been begun!

Only one rioting city this turn...

Jon has the hack patch, so that seems OK, the cycle seems to start after Demos' turn, however rectifies at Sophixes. So start and end seems fine - is there anyone we can get to help?


MOBIUS

[Jon]

The best person I can think of is Slamp if he can spare the time.

[Rick Elkins]

Turn 63 ---> Sophanthro

Good tidings:

The cities in riot number but one this turn. Not a cure, but tolerable. What is unfortunate is that while production proceeded from the last turn, food production did not, and we also were again hit by a big shortfall of gold. This is hurting us, and we hope there is a solution. We do not possess the hack patch, and ask the Egyptian scientists wether they believe there would be any advantage in procurring one. Also, we wish to thank the Pharaoh for his selfless work on a problem which does not even bother his own people.

And Great Pharaoh, our captain reports sighting the legendary city of Meydum dead ahead, and will make land tommorrow!

High Priest Jon, our second ship of peace is bound for one of your cities that is not on our maps, but we know of its existance through sightings of your trade caravans by travelersand tourists. It appears to lie on your eastern coast between Cahauchi and Cupisnique. We will arrive shortly, and our Diplomat sends word that he hopes that the planned human sacrifice will not be comprised of anyone in our party, please!

Then we sail for Wales, where we hope to achieve permission from the Learned Demosthenes to build an Embassy on his northwestern shore.

PAX

King Rick