Team Blood Oath Horde Diplomacy

[UnOrthOdOx]

UnO

I leave in a few hours for my farm, due to flood damage I have no comms there for the few days I will be there

I will be back on monday

this matter will put this game on hold until my return

there is much to be said for your "I have never once lied" statement

you have played the game as you see fit, that I have understood from the very beginning

so too when you were openly asked if there was any pre-existing deal etc, your no was taken to mean no...

In real life I too run a business, as does Plato, we have clearly a different version of what was meant and agreed to

please if you have the save, I ask that you hold it until I return

it is really not the correct time when I only have a few hours before departure, and am overdue to sleep etc to start getting this organised

i am sure in the scheme of things, all will be sorted, and as we are talking the diplomacy of a 3 way war, then holding the game for a few days can cause no harm for all involved

I thank you for your patience

Paddy
Khan of the Horde

We do not have the save, it was passed on the 3rd.

Sorry to hear of the flood damage

[UnOrthOdOx]

From Plato

If you are sad to see me go then do the right thing.

You cannot untwist your words. This is betrayal pure and simple and quite beneath what I had thought of you.

In any event, it is this type of double dealing that has soured the whole DG experience for me and I am done with this game.

You and your team can go on kidding yourselves about your fairness as long as you want. I simply don't care anymore. I will not negotiate with you again in any game as it is clear that you cannot be trusted and that you will do what you can to twist your words to say what you want and not what you meant.

Sorry to sound so harsh, but like I said...I trusted you. This is the biggest dissapointment of all.

I will still lurk the Horde forum to see if you and your tam will in the end do the honorable thing and not stick to your present course. Hell, it may not even mater what you do. With this latest crap from your team, The entire Horde is considering just walking away from this game.

Hope you are happy with how your team's "concept" on fairness.

[polarnomad]

All this for four units. Don't they realize Sarantium is now wide open, with so many units in Horde territory, and will most likely have to negotiate with them, once the Horde move their hired units into striking range?

[UnOrthOdOx]

Irony of ironies,

I am in training (again) for my RL job that covers this exact situation. How to conduct yourself when employed by 2 different competitors and what you can say when to which.

anyhow,

Perhaps someone should remind the Horde that most of the Sarantium army is south, and it is Sarantium, not us, they are at war with. I somehow think this would be more effective coming from someone other than myself, however. A sort of 'semi official' response.

[polarnomad]

Team Mercenary hires out units and services. These services, once agreed upon, are carried out. Until contracts are finalized, no service is rendered nor guraranteed.

Sarantium is at War with the Horde, and requests to hire units. Negotiations are held, and a contract is finalized.

The Horde wishes to hire units in its own bid to hurt Sarantium. Negotiations are held. A contract is finalized and services are about to be rendered as per details of the contract.

No contract to prevent the Mercenary team from hiring out its services was finalized by either team. Team Mercenary maintains no obligation to fulfill anything other than finalized contracts.

We now have a war in progress. Let's get on with it.



Something like this UnO?

[UnOrthOdOx]

Originally posted by polarnomad
Team Mercenary hires out units and services. These services, once agreed upon, are carried out. Until contracts are finalized, no service is rendered nor guraranteed.

Sarantium is at War with the Horde, and requests to hire units. Negotiations are held, and a contract is finalized.

The Horde wishes to hire units in its own bid to hurt Sarantium. Negotiations are held. A contract is finalized and services are about to be rendered as per details of the contract.

No contract to prevent the Mercenary team from hiring out its services was finalized by either team. Team Mercenary maintains no obligation to fulfill anything other than finalized contracts.

We now have a war in progress. Let's get on with it.



Something like this UnO?

Well, we want to avoid the whole "we now have a war" thing. Train their eyes on Sarantium.

Maybe more along this grain:

Team Mercenary hires out units and services. These services, once agreed upon, are carried out. Until contracts are finalized, no service is rendered nor guraranteed.

Sarantium is at War with the Horde, and we have a contract with them. But keep in mind it is Sarantium at war with you here, not us. We have dedicated 4 units according to our concept, that is all.

Meanwhile, your own contract is for many more units. And where is the Sarantium military at present? Do you wish to spend your anger on us, or those you are truly at war with?

Other things we might do to appease their anger:

Offer to upgrade 1-2 chariots to horseman free of charge? Or add in a horseman/chariot to their contract (remember, this is a running tab of renewable contracts till they get the full cost or the issue is ended)?

[polarnomad]

Hmmm... How about?

Team Mercenary hires out units and services. These services, once agreed upon, are carried out. Until contracts are finalized, no service is rendered nor guraranteed.

Sarantium is at War with the Horde, and we have a contract with them. Please keep in mind Sarantium is at war with you here, not us. We have dedicated 4 units according to our concept, that is all.

Meanwhile, your own contract is for many more units. At present, Sarantium's military seems amassed within your borders. Take advantage of the opportunity offered to you by your Merc troops waiting on the Sarantine border, and direct your anger at the appropriate target.

I don't think appeasing the Horde should be our concern. Perhaps helping them see that this situation isn't as bad as it looks at first glance would be a better strategy. I'm not too keen on rewarding a temper tantrum.

[Kloreep]

I agree we shouldn't appease the Horde - not with more than words. Not that I'm not tempted to offer some free additions to their contract, as I think our fate as neutral mercenaries now lies with the Horde. But in the long term that sets a dangerous precedent. We have held to what we agreed to do; so long as that remains true, we don't have anything to make up to anyone.

PN, sounds pretty good to me. I'd suggest altering the paragraph a little though, considering their mood I doubt they want us telling them so strongly what they should be doing. Perhaps:

Team Mercenary hires out units and services. These services, once agreed upon, are carried out. Until contracts are finalized, no service is rendered nor guraranteed.

Sarantium is at War with the Horde, and we have a contract with them. Please keep in mind Sarantium is at war with you here, not us. We have dedicated 4 units according to our concept, that is all.

Meanwhile, your own contract is for many more units. At present, Sarantium's military seems to be amassed within your borders. Merc does not know how many Sarantine troops remain within their own borders, but it must be at least somewhat reduced; perhaps this opportunity can be best seized using the Merc troops waiting to move on the Sarantine border.

Originally posted by polarnomad
All this for four units. Don't they realize Sarantium is now wide open, with so many units in Horde territory, and will most likely have to negotiate with them, once the Horde move their hired units into striking range?

A bit more complicated perhaps, I think Sarantium can afford to lose Anhinga... That said, I agree on the whole. I imagine our one stack may well rival the entire military Sarantium has left at home. As long as the Horde keeps our stack hired, they will be in a very good position to dictate to Sarantium.

/me imagines an incredible situation in which having Mercs thrown in to gameplay results in both teams being on the verge of taking the other's capital

[polarnomad]

All in all, it is pretty good. I would just make a couple more changes:

Team Horde,

Team Mercenary hires out units and services. These services, once agreed upon, are carried out. Until contracts are finalized, no service is rendered nor guraranteed.

Sarantium is at War with the Horde, and we have a contract with them. They are at war with you here, not us. We have dedicated 4 units according to our concept, that is all.

Meanwhile, your own contract is for many more units. At present, Sarantium's military seems amassed within your borders. Team Mercenary does not know how many Sarantine troops remain defending their cities, but that number is most certainly reduced. Perhaps this opportunity can be best seized using the Merc troops waiting to move on the Sarantine border.

Team Mercenary.

[Kloreep]

[Kloreep]

Horde has passed the save. Still no response.

Anyone send the above message?

[UnOrthOdOx]

Not to my knowledge. As I said, I thought it would be more effective from someone else. And, no, no response in my PM box.

[Kloreep]

Sent a modified version to the Horde's e-mail address. CCed Paddy as well.

Team Horde,

Your contracted units stand ready to move on the Sarantine border. However, given our unfortunate communications lately, confirmation of our deal seems appropriate.

Team Mercenary hires out units and services. These services, once agreed upon, are carried out. Until contracts are finalized, no service is rendered nor guraranteed.

Sarantium is at War with the Horde, and we have a contract with them. They are at war with you here, not us. We have dedicated 4 units according to our concept, that is all.

Meanwhile, your own contract is for many more units. At present, Sarantium's military seems amassed within your borders. Team Mercenary does not know how many Sarantine troops remain defending their cities, but that number is most certainly reduced. Perhaps this opportunity can be best seized using the Merc troops waiting to move on the Sarantine border.

I hope we still have a deal. Your hired units stand ready for your orders.

-Kloreep, Team Mercenary

[Kloreep]

Sent the message to Bongo via PM, just to make sure it was in the hands of an active Horde member - not sure if the gmail account is still being used, I got it off the E-mail thread from the start of the game.

[Kloreep]

E-mail from Paddy.

we have a deal

WarLord Bongo will send movement orders along

Reply from bongo.

Paddy has probably answered you already but we *do* have a deal, although I must say your contract with sarantium has caused an uproar among the hordees.

Our members has calmed down a bit but we cannot escape the practical difficulties a state of war will cause. One is payment, while we have no intentions of witholding payment because of your contract with sarantium, we will stick to the original deal and pay on delivery. That is, no advance payment. We understand this may be inconvenient and even risky for you but as you are responsible for the delay you simply have to accept the negative consequences it causes. We will of course pay as soon as the game mecanics allow.

The second difficulty is about troop movement and planning. I intended to 'embed' a scout with your units to better be able to direct their actions. That will also be impossible now.

So, how do we organize the 'action'? For starters your turnplayer should send me screenshots at the end of your turn, then I will respond with preliminary instructions, then perhaps we should meet on msn during your turn to lay the finishing touch on your orders?

Please bring this on to your team, in particular your turnplayer.

Bongo, turnplayer and warlord of the Horde

I think we have to accept the delay in payment and risk being stiffed. The Horde can't really afford to not pay as long as Sarantium remains hostile; but, our enforcement abilities are probably going to be tied to that.

Re: emebedding the scout, I don't see how that would have helped them anyhow. Sarantium passes the save directly to us. So what the Horde would see with their scout is exactly the same as the info we'll be able to pass them at the end of each turn. Ultimately, neither us nor the Horde will know the disposition of Sarantium's troops until the save arrives with us.

Do you want someone else to handle the response UnO, or should you? I'm okay with keeping up the contact for now if you want to lay low for a little while, but I'd be just as happy (probably happier, tell the truth ) to turn the diplo back over to you.