Banana Embassy

[Maniac]

Maniac of Centauri,
We are discussing your proposals. We will have a
response shortly. I think you will be pleased with
it.

Due to dramatic growth of our nation and our desire to
serve our world partners better we have increased our
bureaucracy. I have been transfered to the office of
The Diplomatic Banana. Please look for all future
communication to come from
thediplomaticbanana@yahoo.com.

Yea Banana!
Daddy-Musa

For some reason the "I think you will be pleased with it." makes me

[Lacero]

Maybe theres stone to the west :O

[-SafaN-]

banana response, we should do something that original too

Maniac of Centauri,
Team Banana does not wish to cause mistrust between our nations. Our women have just now finished wearing peels in their sandals for 7 days to lament this loss of trust. The change in attitude about a border agreement has nothing to do with your nation or our stance towards you. Truth be told, after we asked you about a border agreement, our elders went up to the Yellow Mountain and smoked dried banana skins for 5 days and 5 nights, as they are known to do. Together they had a vision of a 5 foot green banana. In this vision they rushed to peel it for they were hungry and its size was so that it could feed them all. Once the banana was opened, they were saddened to find it empty. The elders thought long about the meaning of this vision. The unripe banana was taken to be our young world. It's emptiness - a mistake in haste. The Great Banana, whose name shall not be uttered, sent our wise elders a warning about rushing into things that cannot be undone. The Great Banana has spoken.

Team Banana will not make any agreements regarding borders at this early stage, except for this, Team Banana will respect the borders of your nation as you do ours. We cannot agree to not settle the lands between us. The hippolactuses found in that region are a much desired resource as milk and cereal flakes go well with our bananas. However if you settle those lands before us, we will respect that.

As a sign of good faith we are sending a map of our lands. (See miniPlus.jpg) We ask that you send a map in return.

Team Banana is pleased to hear that you wish to co-ordinate our research. What are you planning to research so that Team Banana's scholars do not duplicate your efforts? How do you propose that our nations share this knowledge?

Oh people of Centuri, please see that we wish for a long and mutually prosperous friendship with you, our neighbors.

May the sun sweetly ripen your banana,
-The Diplomatic Banana

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Remarks @ the screenshot:

They are researching mediation, what means they have mysticism, we can show them that we are researching that without problems

Horses are visible, so they have animal farming

Its unsure that they don't know the location of the marble, they cut of that piece very coindentially.

Its also unsure if they have bw or not, that tile just 'fell' of the picture.

In the very south there is stone. Mayb a deal is possible like them the stone, us the marble?

I'll check later what we will and can do

[Zeiter]

So, are we going to give them a map of our territory? I think it would be a good idea. They really went out on a limb giving us that info, it would seem like to me, so they must be serious about cooperating.

What do you think about ceding to them all of the south and drawing a line north/south just east of those three resources east of the river? According to this map, they would get 11 resources vs. 8 for us, + some resources that they must figure that we have way over in our territory. Or would that be being too greedy? What if we drew the line at the river, with the provision that we got the marble?

[Impaler[WrG]]

I agree they did show quite a bit of trust sending up their map, I would recipricate, if we didn't we would look like jerks.

Their very clear they want a first come first serve situation when it comes to City founding, So be it we will speak of this subject no more. Its now quite important for us to get our next two cities planted ASAP and all the subsequant ones. I think we will be ok sticking to a the territory rougly equivilent to our original border proposal, we would move across the line only if the Bananas do so first. Exploratin to the West will tell us just ware we stand.

The Banana south is rich and fertile and definatly large enogh for their usage, I guess they just want to press the advantage of their Culture bonus. Horses are quite strategic for them as they can get WarChariots but they will need to use their Second City for it. They probably lack BW because they whent AH.

Buddism has already been taken so they must be aiming for something else possibly Priesthood/Oracle or Monotheism.

[Maniac]

Re: banana response, we should do something that original too

Originally posted by -SafaN-
Its also unsure if they have bw or not, that tile just 'fell' of the picture.

I noticed we made a jump in the power graph after researching Bronze Working. Banana doesn't have this yet, soo it's safe to assume they don't have BW yet I think.

Anyway, the Spartan arises in me after this diplomatic message. It's clear they have plenty of land to the south of them. And (except for the marble) there's no resource at all they can only get in their west beyond the river. Yet still they would refuse a border which would give them much more land. Conclusion: they want to keep us small and docile.

We cannot stand for this cultural imperialism!!1!
I say we resist, and eg after founding two cities to ensure the copper and marble and block their access to the west, sail with a galley to that southern resource rich area and found a city there. We wouldn't be breaking any border agreement.

Cultural imperialism = agression

[Lacero]

I love that idea. Grabbing the horses would be the most aggressive thing we could do?

[ForesterSOF]

Impaler's comments seem to be the best IMHO.

[Maniac]

I agree with his post too except this part.

Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
I think we will be ok sticking to a the territory rougly equivilent to our original border proposal, we would move across the line only if the Bananas do so first.

[Impaler[WrG]]

Our first 2 Cities will be close to us anyways as out critical resorces are nearby. I cant see how our first OR second city could be way down their in the Banana south, its too far and too vulnorable in the event of war. Its going to be some time before we even WANT to cross the line, if the Banans plant their first or second city across the line (and especialy if they try to take marble) that would constitute some Causus Bellum.

[Impaler[WrG]]

After looking at their mini-map I dont think they have found the Marble, theirs blackness just north of the Silk. I think its a safe bet they dont know about it.

If we recipricate on the map we should either hide the Marble or make it very clear that we Claim that Marble for the greater glory of Yang. We might want to show them the Copper for the "Big Stick" effect.

If their aiming for Oracle then they will want that Marble Badly.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
Our first 2 Cities will be close to us anyways as out critical resorces are nearby. I cant see how our first OR second city could be way down their in the Banana south, its too far and too vulnorable in the event of war. Its going to be some time before we even WANT to cross the line

I agree of course. I'm just talking about what we could do after our next two cities are founded.

[Impaler[WrG]]

Banana Tech Analysis

Our Data so far on the Bananas

====== : 0006 : +006 : tech discovered : 1 tech : farming
====== : 0013 : +007 : tech discovered : 2 tech : the wheel
4000 BC : 0039 : +026 : capital founded (+ 1 pop, + 1 wonder)
3760 BC : 0045 : +006 : tech discovered : 3 tech : ? (? in 6 turns)
3600 BC : 0051 : +006 : population growth : 2 pop (22 in 10 turns)
3320 BC : 0058 : +007 : tech discovered : 4 tech : ? (? in 11 turns)
3200 BC : 0074 : +016 : land ownership : 9 land (+9)
3120 BC : 0097 : +023 : land ownership : 21 land (+12)
3080 BC : 0104 : +007 : tech discovered : 5 tech : ? (? in 6 turns)


We know they have AnimalHusbandry and Mystisism, which leaves 1 unkown Tech. Of the 3 Techs one took 6 turns the next 11 and the most resent in 6 turns. AH must have been the 11 turn tech which means the mystery tech was a 6 turn tech on par with Mystism in cost.

I think the most likly candidate is Mining.

The screen shot seems to indicate a lack of Cottages which supports the analysis, if so their Tech Rate is going to be considerable slower then ours. They can reach Priesthood before us and begin Construction of the Oracle but they have nothing withwitch to speed it, no Chopping, no Whipping, no Marble and they Tech they get from it would be quite poor untill they finish several other Techs. They would have to start Construction imediatly after Priesthood ~6-7 turns from now and give up Settler creation for a long time which would cost them dearly.

In conclusion, I think an Oracle attempt is still viable but it will require good planning on our part to pull off, if we want to go for it we need Masonry->Meditation->Priesthood and the Marble connection with our second city, Chopping and Whipping can excelerate our 2 settlers and our Financial should get us the Techs only a few turns after Banana. We then out Build them to the Wonder.

[Kataphraktoi]

They could have photoshopped that image to look like they cant see the marble.

[Googlie]

LOL - like we used to do with the "Moneypenny" maps