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**Kodii** · July 15, 2009, 16:41

Grenadiers come with Military Science, no? Imperio has Military Tradition and Chemistry

**darrelljs** · July 15, 2009, 16:41

No. You also need Military Science now.

Darrell

**sooooo** · July 15, 2009, 16:42

EDIT: Double-ninjad!

**Sullla** · July 15, 2009, 19:22

Operation Mehmed II successful! We now control Constantinople.

sunrise will have the preliminary turn report up shortly. Here is the battle log I took down during the fighting. We lost 8 suicide cats, but only two real units, both maces. No Oromos died, and 5 of them won battles to gain XP for another promotion!

7 cats suicide
CR2 mace against CG1 crossbow (80%) wins!
C2CR1 mace against CG1 longbow (87%) wins!
Col cat against mace (17%) dies!
C2 mace against CG1 longbow (93%) dies!
Oromo against mace (93%) wins!
CR1 mace against C1 mace (86%) wins!
C1 mace against longbow (93%) wins!
Oromo against mace (94%) wins!
C1 mace against mace (87%) dies!
Oromo against mace (96%) wins!
Oromo against longbow (99%) wins!
Oromo against longbow (99%) wins!
Mace against mace (98%) wins!
Mace against mace (98%) wins!
Pike against mace (97%) wins!
Pike against longbow (99%) wins!
Pike against longbow (99%) wins!
Constantinople captured!

Some screenies from the fighting:

Spoiler:

In Soldier count, we lost 58k of units and Templars lost 105k. Nice!

**ruff_hi** · July 15, 2009, 19:58

chat log of Battle (1 of 2)

Spoiler:

Krill me likey this website. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, guys

Darrell I'll echo the comment this website is nifty. Ruff has lots of tricks in his bag ;-)

I just used the google ... or is that dispelling the magic?

**ruff_hi** · July 15, 2009, 19:58

chat (2 of 2)

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**Dreylin** · July 15, 2009, 20:10

I like the look of that face-off in the South....

**sooooo** · July 15, 2009, 20:29

In less violent matters ...

MY set to bank
SF set to university
Saxon set to university
CB set to university

We get music next turn at 90% slider, funded by the plunder from Constantinople. That's a higher slider than before when the cities were set to research but better than we expected last turn.

Turn not finished yet - still units, workers, settler and missionary to move - sunrise will probably do this later.

Think we should still move our 2 workers and knights to the staging tile.

Please let's not forget to move an archer towards Frozen Clams.

Jerusalem is out of revolt - probably Mustapha should go onto the cows this turn to improve them next turn.

I named our new worker Yojojo - my son's favourite Waybuloo character

EDIT: Our costs have reduced by 30 gold thanks to reduced unit supply, unit upkeep and building 2 courthouses

**Compromise** · July 15, 2009, 22:59

Originally posted by Sullla View Post

Operation Mehmed II successful! We now control Constantinople.

Nicely played!

At the odds Sullla noted, it seems likely that there won't be too much healing needed, but perhaps that's wishful thinking.

**Sullla** · July 15, 2009, 23:45

Couple thoughts looking at the save:

- Double checked and confirmed that the trade last turn was PAL sending Chemistry to Imperio for Military Tradition.

- I'll echo sooooo that we should send an Archer in Cape Town on the long trek to Frozen Clams starting this turn.

- Very slight change from sooooo: let's send the Mustapha/Erik pair to the cows tile NE of Jerusalem (instead of just Mustapha). Together, they can road that tile next turn, and get us a Jerusalem/Constantinople road connection.

- I grabbed the oasis tile for Jericho, so it can work it while Constantinople is in resistance.

Otherwise, I'll get out of the way and let sunrise finish the moves for this turn, then comment afterwards.

**sunrise089** · July 16, 2009, 00:45

Turn 165

City Report:
*Airstrip 1 - University due in 8. Market on hold.
*Pink Dot - Courthouse complete. University due in 11.
*China Beach - University due in 16. Cat on hold.
*Cape Town - Cat complete. Another cat due in 1.
*Something Fishy - University due in 10.
*Green Acres - Islamic Missionary due in 17.
*Mellow Yellow - Bank due in 176.
*Saxon the Beach - Courthouse complete. University due in 14.
*Bluebell Fields - University due in 16. Bank on hold.
*Red Herring - Forge due in 13.
*Upper Burgundy - Library due in 2.
*Frozen Clams - Library due in 36.
*Jericho - Cat due in 6.
*Jerusalem - Theater due in 5.
*Jungle Fever - Granary due in 49.
*Sweet Tooth - Granary due in 58.
*Constantinople - Theater due in 51.

Worker Report:
*Bob continued work on a sugar plantation at Jerusalem this turn.
*As Sullla advised, the Mustapha and Erik pair moved onto Jerusalem's cows and will road next turn.
*Winston and O'Brien (along with Nok Tok) roaded between Jericho and Constantinople this turn. Next turn they can join the mounted units on their staging tile or do another task that keeps them within one turn of said tile.
*Dave continued working on the farm at Airstrip 1.

Domestic Military Composition Report:
*Cape Town garrison - 1 axe, 2 archers.
*Jericho garrison - 1 archer.
*Jerusalem garrison - 1 pike.
*Constantinople garrison - 7 Omomos, 5 elephants, 5 maces, 1 horse archer, 2 longbows, 4 pikes, 6 cats, 1 GG chariot.
*Naval strike force - 1 trireme, 2 galleys, 4 Oromos.
*Mounted strike force - 4 knights, 4 HAs.
*Units in transit (just in case someone wants to keep tabs on everything) - 3 Oromos, 1 cat.

Enemy Military Composition Report:
*Damascus garrison: 6 macemen, 3 longbows, 2 horse archers, 1 crossbow, 1 cat, three spears.
*Imperio mega-stack: 5 knights, 2 muskets, 3 elephants, 8 macemen, 3 pikes, 4 longbows, 11 cats.

Military Action Report:
*Our Oromo warriors boarded our ships next to Cape Town, so avoid Imperio intelligence gathering.
*Our four knights and four horse archers reached their staging tile for Operation Backstab. Since our ships require 2 turns to hit Imperio we won't need to make workers stand on the staging tile, but we absolutely DO need to make sure we always keep two workers that can make it TO the staging tile in one turn, so we can initiate the Bloodbath on short notice.
*FYI - Imperio is fielding 36 units in their stack. RB currently has 34 in ours. Not bad considering our 10 units of losses this turn, the separate 2-move stack, the separate naval stack, the two other cities we captured, the battle versus Templars on defensive terrain, and the early battles versus Templar and Imperio units in neutral territory and at Pink Dot. Considering Imperio have been in as many wars as us and have lost about 4 units over the entire game I think we've done a pretty nice job

Just think how scary Imperio would have been had they been producing units at the same rate as us and not suffering any losses...

Spy Report:
*This pretty much tells the story:

Spoiler:

Questions and notes:[/B]
*The clams in Jungle Fever are finally hooked up.
*Can we tell if Imperio upgraded any units? 2 horse archers are missing and suddenly their stack has a few extra knights

*Finally, can someone explain the GNP numbers to me? I show us as top in GNP even at break even science rate!
*Don't worry, I changed the science rate back to 90%

I also pressed End Turn.

**timmy827** · July 16, 2009, 01:57

GNP includes culture which gives us a big bonus. PAL's GNP goes up and down wildly based on whether they are teching, probably they are running cash this turn.

**mostly-harmless** · July 16, 2009, 02:14

Well done team. Next time, try to leave some buildings intact, though.

mh

**Zeviz** · July 16, 2009, 02:45

Originally posted by mostly-harmless View Post

Well done team. Next time, try to leave some buildings intact, though.

mh

Sorry, Sullla insisted on dismantling them for firewood for Templars.

**sooooo** · July 16, 2009, 03:03

Yep, I echo the "nice work" comments.

Templars are stupid. There is no way to irrigate that rice in their territory without farming over one of the two villages, both of which are a few turns away from becoming towns.

Slight mistake at Jerusalem: The worker spent a turn plantationing the jungle-sugar tile but that tile already had 2 turns of chopping into it. It will complete the plantation quicker if we finish the chop and then start a plantation (and also the intermediate 3/0/1 tile is useful to work)

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