Team Info and Contacts - Imperio

[sunrise089]

Sounds fine. Question: do we wait for an answer or send another more substantive email in a day or two?

[Zeviz]

First 3 paragraphs of Ruff's message are perfect. Here is my shot at the actual offer:

So what can give both of our teams a shot at stopping PAL victory? Here is our offer:

1. We sign a peace and NAP until 10 turns after PAL is eliminated.

2. We split Templar lands and prepare for naval invasion of PAL while waiting for your NAP with them to expire.

3. We split the PAL lands.

If we follow the steps above, we'll go from uselessly fighting each other while PAL runs away with the game to fighting each other for the first place while dominating the game.

Maybe last line needs to be rephrased, but this is a good place to start.

[Kylearan]

Hi,

I like Ruff's letter a lot! Makes it clear that we can and will repel their attack if necessary, but still opens up a back-door to end this war.

I think we should send this letter ASAP and follow up with a more detailed proposal later; maybe we can say something along these lines in the first letter ("if you're willing to talk with us, we have a proposal in mind for an anti-PAL alliance" or something like that). Let's try to get some communication going as fast as possible and let's not delay diplomacy until we have agreed upon a detailed plan.

-Kylearan

[ruff_hi]

I am seeing consensus on sending my draft. I don't think we should wait for a spanish translation ... nice, but speed of communication is better. They seemed to have little difficulty comprehending our last messages.

[darrelljs]

Sounds fine. Question: do we wait for an answer or send another more substantive email in a day or two?

I suggest we wait until you obliterate the Templars' stack .

Darrell

[Zeviz]

Yes, let's send Ruff's message now, and send a Spanish translation later, with our more detailed proposal.

[Zeviz]

Yes, let's send Ruff's message now, and send a Spanish translation later, with our more detailed proposal.

[ruff_hi]

email in post #418 sent - english version only.

[ruff_hi]

no answer. Do we have any other email addresses / contacts for these people?

[ruff_hi]

oops - should have checked the acct before posting ...

Dear Realms,

Tengo que escribir en español, ya que si no es imposible para mi expresar nuestra situacion.

Vuestra civilizacion tiene mas ciudades que Templars y Imperio, ambos nos hemos sentido acosados por la fundacion de ciudades que habeis hecho.

Por lo cual no se si estamos dando una victoria segura a PAL, pero se que a vosotros con estas condiciones no lo vamos a permitir.

La unica manera de que vallamos a por PAL ya es que nos deis Cape Town a Imperio y Pink Dot a Templars, y despues nos aliamos los 3 contra PAL, cuando consideremos que halla un reparto mas equitativo de terrenos y ciudades.

Se que vuestro punto de vista es otro, por eso estamos en guerra.


English translation:

Dear Realms.

I have to write in Spanish, since if its not impossible for my to express our situation.

Your civilization has more cities that Templars and Imperio, both we have felt harassed by the foundation of cities that you done.

For which, we don't know if we are giving a sure victory to PAL, but that with these conditions we are not going to allow you.

The unique way of which we fence for PAL already is that deis Cape Town to Imperio and Pink Dot to Templars, and after we can ally the 3 teams against PAL, when we think that a distribution mas equitably of areas and cities.

We known that your point of view is different, because of it we are in war.

Edit: reply ...

Email received and posted to our discussion forum. Thank you for replying.

Ruff for Team RB

[regoarrarr]

Slight modification for clarity to the English translation

Dear Realms.

I have to write in Spanish, since otherwise it is impossible for me to express our situation.

Your civilization has more cities than Templars and Imperio, we both have felt harassed by the cities you have founded.

So, we don't know if we are giving a sure victory to PAL, but we do know that we are not going to allow you to continue these conditions.

The only way that we will go against PAL is that you give Cape Town to Imperio and Pink Dot to Templars, and afterwards the 3 teams can ally against PAL, when we think that we have reached a more equal distribution of areas and cities.

We known that your point of view is different (maybe "we know you feel differently about this"?), and because of that we are in war.


====
So I think that means we'll be at war for awhile

I do think we should mention that if it means a faster turnaround on diplomacy, we are fine for them to write in Spanish.

[Sullla]

For which, we don't know if we are giving a sure victory to PAL, but that with these conditions we are not going to allow you.

The unique way of which we fence for PAL already is that deis Cape Town to Imperio and Pink Dot to Templars, and after we can ally the 3 teams against PAL, when we think that a distribution mas equitably of areas and cities.

Sigh. I know I'm the one who keeps promoting talking with these guys, but it feels so hopeless when these are the conditions they want. It's complete lunacy. Obviously we are not going to tamely give away two of our best cities to teams that are at war with us!

Any thoughts, suggestions guys? I am really stumped as to how we can get through to these numbskulls. They've basically stated, "we don't care if PAL wins the game, we are going to keep attacking you because you have more cities than we do." There's... well, there's not much we can say in response to that point of view.

Maybe send them another message pointing out that PAL has even MORE cities than we do, plus they are running away with the goddamn game!!! I mean, it's not like we ever made any aggressive moves towards Templars and Imperio. All we did was settle contested land, and they're acting like we did something terrible to them. If they wanted Cape and Pink so badly, they should have built settlers in the early game instead of building Stonehenge and founding religions!

[regoarrarr]

My vote would be to take Sullla's point about how PAL has even more cities than us (with still room to grow) and then point out that we'll share Templars land, so that we're both equal (our definition of equal of course but we won't go into details.... ), and then we can take out PAL.

Just continue to point out how this is a stalamate, they are not going to advance against us, etc.

[ruff_hi]

the ideas circling my head are:

- templars suck - lets share a screenshot of the W of Templar's capital and tell Imperio that templars have not settled this area - even though it is great land
- no way we are helping templar recover from 130 turns of bad play
- note that we are not even writing to templar because they are a non issue
- FYI: our team has a raging debate regarding Cape Town
- if Imperio is interested in splitting the land - how about Team RB and Imperio join up and take Templar's land - and we give the majority of it to you (except for Templar capital and Templar's Iron)
- blame the map maker for giving us crappy land (no happy resource until calendar) for making us play so well
- look at your position: multiple gold which results in quick tech rate
- as we said before, we believe the mapmaker intended for cape town to be ours - it is closer to our capital than it is to yours

[ruff_hi]

we should share the info that we have on city sizes with them ... that illustrates the relative standings in this game better than any other piece of information

Population census:
PAL 72 (12,11,9,9,8,7,6,5,2,2,1) - 11 cities
RB 55 (10,8,7,7,6,5,5,4,2,1) - 10 cities
Imp 41 (10,8,6,6,6,5) - 6 cities
Ban 40 (11,11,7,7,3,1) - 7 cities
Tem 30 (9,8,6,4,3) - 5 cities
Rab 12 (6,3,1,1,1) - 5 cities

Templar - who have been unmolested for 130 turns have the same number of cities as Rabbits who have been in a pitched fight for their lives for have of that time.

I'd be happy to let Imperio take all of Templar's cities (excluding the capital) as long as the perma-gave us Iron.