Correspondance Thread - PAL

[GeoModder]

Well, therefore we need another ship to contact other civs.
By the time one of our teams reached Alphabet, we should have a galley or workboat on our way to the other continent. And remember, with free passage for our scout we'll get to the other civ PAL is in contact with too.

[Lancer]

E x c e l l e n t . . .

So we run like hell for the other side and build a boat when we get sailing. Lettuce not forget to light a fire under our scout.

What should we trade masonry for? I agree btw that we need to tell him we have it.

I'm against divulging all our techs at this time because it tells them we don't have archery.

After giving him that tech trade proposal we should ask for alot of details.

My proposal for a reply that should bog things down in discussions of the details after the masonry trade while our scout makes tracks...


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Thanks for letting our scout proceed! We will remember this good deed through the ages.

Can we assign point values to each tech so we can still trade techs even though it isn't an even trade by running a point surplus/debit? What would be a fair straight out trade in which we give you (we have agreed to disclose this to you) masonry (no points) just to get the ball rolling? Some of us are not ready to divulge all of our techs at this time, and we're trying to get that problem out of the way. However most are eager to see progress in your visionary proposal, hence the masonary trade proposal. This will help cement opinion on full tech disclosure within our masses of rabbits. You already have ALL of our good will from your most excellent gesture. So, what will you offer for masonry?


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Any corrections needed? New ideas to add?

I'm purposely leaving the point thing undefined so we can waste time ironing out details. Since he has decided to lettuce proceed the weight of time has shifted to his shoulders somewhat. He needs the tech trades done so he can trade our techs to the other guy. We're going to propose the wierd stuff now in order to fully thank our new friend for his bizzarre alliance proposal the result of which might have held our scout while he sold our techs. So, lets trade him masonry for his good deed that he can trade to his bud while we set about leveling the playing field by meeting him.

Good thing we played hardball.

[GeoModder]

Lancer, you seem to think we can trade technologies with them already.
This is not the case. Until one of us has researched Alphabet, no trading can be done. Also, since we told them we need to declare war (at least, that was in my original message, don't remember if that was taken over in yours) to let our scout pass, they will realize we don't have Writing (which gives open borders).

[Lancer]

I knew that.



Sooo...hmm. We can then run around and meet people without having to trade any techs?



Lettuce do that.

[Chuckman]

Also remember that there is no tech brokering this game. We can only trade techs that we research ourselves

[Chuckman]

Originally posted by Lancer


Can we assign point values to each tech so we can still trade techs even though it isn't an even trade by running a point surplus/debit? What would be a fair straight out trade in which we give you (we have agreed to disclose this to you) masonry (no points) just to get the ball rolling? Some of us are not ready to divulge all of our techs at this time, and we're trying to get that problem out of the way. However most are eager to see progress in your visionary proposal, hence the masonary trade proposal. This will help cement opinion on full tech disclosure within our masses of rabbits. You already have ALL of our good will from your most excellent gesture. So, what will you offer for masonry?

Couldn't we just use beakers for simplicity?

[PLATO]

Notice that PAL proposes to take the path to alphabet. They are hedging just in case we try to screw them. I think Lancer hit the nail on the head. They are trying to broker techs.

We should propose that we take the path to alphabet and that there is no tech brokering of the techs we trade.

[PLATO]

Notice that PAL proposes to take the path to alphabet. They are hedging just in case we try to screw them. I think Lancer hit the nail on the head. They are trying to broker techs.

We should propose that we take the path to alphabet and that there is no tech brokering of the techs we trade.

[Lancer]

Originally posted by Chuckman
Also remember that there is no tech brokering this game. We can only trade techs that we research ourselves

Chuckman, are you sure about that? If we trade them a tech they can't trade it to someone else?

That means that if this is their plan then they don't know that. Could it be?

[Zoid]

I checked the setup threads, and Tech Brokering was a locked vote. CyberShy was given the right to decide this, I don't know what he decided...

[Chuckman]

Originally posted by Zoid
I checked the setup threads, and Tech Brokering was a locked vote. CyberShy was given the right to decide this, I don't know what he decided...

Our own Geomodder in post 13 of the Letter to the Mapmaker thread shows a settings image. No tech brokering.

Remember the Meditation-Priesthood route sets us up for an Oracle slingshot to Code of Laws and our Rathaus.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Chuckman


Our own Geomodder in post 13 of the Letter to the Mapmaker thread shows a settings image. No tech brokering.

Remember the Meditation-Priesthood route sets us up for an Oracle slingshot to Code of Laws and our Rathaus.

PAL

[GeoModder]

I knew this option would come handy some day.

In any case, I'm in favour of us going the Alphabet route to after sailing.
For starters, we're sure that we have the ability to trade with other civs if nothing comes out of trading with PAL in the long(er) term. And secondly there's some kind of rightness in our competitors researching for us the techs which favours our civ. :mischief:

[Lancer]

Chuckman, great investigative work!

Zoid

PLATO, so that answers that question.

So, we need to get back to PAL with the fact we have masonry, correct?

Also, we're researching sailing now then archery? Whatever order we do that in I think we really need archers so any tangent we take should happen after we aquire these techs, yes?

We can't trade for them so we need to at least thank PAL for letting our scout pass and tell them we have masonry.

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Friend PAL! Thank you for your gracious reply and letting our scout pass. Our gratitude will stand the test of time. Just FYI, we have masonry and will be ready and eager to trade it when we have alphabet. There may be some minor, early, tech research duplication since we will need alphabet in order to trade with other civs outside our PAL/Rabbit alliance. If we get to alphabet first we will certainly trade it to you, you have our word on that. When the time comes that allows us to trade we will provide a more expansive list of our current techs. We openly share with you the intel that we have masonry as a sign of good faith. We are most eager to see progress in your visionary proposal and can't wait for that day when we can mutually advance our techs through continued co-operation.

Since we can't sign open borders until writing we will have to have a >>>non violent<<< state of 'war' in order for our scout to pass your territory. So, we will do so and when we pass we will quickly end the 'war' and resume the 'peace'. None of this will have any effect on our current state of (unofficial) alliance. During the 'war' we will still be at peace and in our current state of being in each others good graces. The 'war' will be a simple expedient and meaningless as we remain your close friends.

We would like to again thank you and would like to discuss an alliance based upon your gracious act or allowing our scout to pass. We will prepare a reply to your alliance proposal. Today I'm occupied by other worldly concerns but will get to it as soon as possible using your alliance proposal as a basis for our suggestions. I'm sure with the groundwork laid by your proposal we can find a common ground mutually beneficial that fully describes our good relations.

[GeoModder]

Alphabet is still a long way off, so it might be best to have Archery first before going on a mutually beneficial research route.

In the our response, we should certainly stress the point that there will be a state of war while our scout passes their land.