The Glory of War

[=OttomusCeasar=]

1- I want to join this team.

2- I think GF is on the right track as the Emperor should be a Lord just like everyone else who has been elected to Emperor.

While Emperor he should have limitations and also bonus powers and when he leaves office should go back to lord status.

[Donegeal]

Welcome to the Glory, =OttomusCeasar= (mind if I call you OC?).

Oh, my... I never put in that the Emperor had to be a King or Lord! I its sort of mentioned in Article A12 as the only way to vote in the House of Kings is to be a King...

[UnOrthOdOx]

That is looking much better.
A 4 is blank...

And are you intending to say REmand, or is that supposed to be DEmand...

One minor change for clarification:

C. Matters the High Council Votes on:

1. Great Leaders.
2. City Names
3. Appointment of High Kings
4. Next Emperor(added...)
5. No-Confidence.
   a. Anybody (Emperor, High King, King and Lords) can make a call of No-Confidence of any elected or appointed Official.
   b. Must coinside with a person to take the place of deposed official.
   - Emperors cannot take the place of High Kings and vise versa.
   - Example: "I call a vote of No-Confidence on blah-blah and blah-blah to take his place!
6. War and Peace.
7. What we research.
8. Forgien trade deals with Human Civs.

D. Matters that the House of Kings Votes on:

1. Great Leaders.
2. (Removed No Confidence...Personally, I feel the No Confidence vote should be limited to the High Council to prevent a Despot situation, ensures one vote per person, and is fair.)
3. War and Peace.
4. What we research.
5. Forgien trade deals with Human Civs.

[Ennet]

Hiya! I would like to join this team to! It looks nice, im not really a conqueror, more a peasemaking builder kind of guy but i like new experiences. Ohh and I dont got PtW yet. They hadn't got it in store last time i went there. Going to go buy it on friday hopefully.

[UnOrthOdOx]

Thats OK Ennet, Civ is Civ. You can contribute just as well on your knowledge of CivIII. Welcome aboard!

[Donegeal]

Ok, I don't have a dictionary handy, but I was useing the word REmand in the the sense of "Assume control".

Is that a proper definition?

In matters of voting, I replaced the Next Emperor with the No-Confidence vote. If an Emperor is doing a good enough job to not get hit with a No-con vote, let him stay! (for all your personal info, I do not plan on trying for the Emperor role as I am not a warmonger and wouldn't be sure on how to be one from the get-go).

Ok, now that I think about it, Just the Council should vote on No-Con votes. If we allowed the House to vote on it as well, the Emperor would just make the Kings Happy and say screw the Lords. I'll make that change.

Oops! A4 was a mistake.... removed.

[UnOrthOdOx]

Just making sure what you were saying. I flunked out of english, personally, couldn't tell you what remand meant, thought it was a typo.

I am not sure of the Emperor staying until a No-Con, though. At least, I wouldn't want to stay...I could possibly commit to a set length of time, but...

Or would there be a retirement option as well?

I still think term limits (lifespans? add a number to each election won? IE Emperor GhengisFarb IV ) would be MORE appropriate. Just because someone is doing a fine job doesn't mean someone else shouldn't be given the opportunity to assume a position should they want to.

[Panzer32]

OK, I think we are on the right track

[Donegeal]

If your Emperor, and you want to quit, call a vote of No-Con on yourself. Who would want to keep an Emperor that didn't have confidence in himself?

If someone else want a crack at the job, he calls for a No-Con vote and says he thinks he should take the job. Wheeling and dealing would be done for however long we keep the vote open, and then, bingo! Success or Failure. If the No-Con wins, we get a new Emperor, if it fails, we don't.

Actually, I'll talk to you more about term limits and lifespans once the secure forums open. We might be onto something very cool...

[korn469]

Emperor
*Plays the game.
*Must appoint High Kings
(see my high king list below)
*Orders of High Kings must be followed.
*Sells cities to Lords and Kings.
a. Allowed to pick who gets what city and doesn't have to go with highest bid.
b. Gets 10% commision of the purchase price for his own use.
c. Must sell to Lords First.
d. If all other players have a City he can sell them to himself but doen't get commission
*Must propose a non binding production list for the civ
*Can own cities
*Does NOT vote in High Council.
*Votes in House of Kings only with cities that are actually his.
*Has deciding vote in case of a tie between the Council and the House
*keeps the "Big Picture" of our civ in mind

here are the high kings i think we should have

*high king of research and finance: proposes research, sets slider, and has power of hurries and upgrades
*high king of foreign affairs: same as what donegeal proposes
*high king of internal affairs: controls all workers and settlers, and unassigned cities
*high king of military: controls all military units, garrisoned or not

emperor's duties: proposes nonbinding build orders for all cities, and tries to keep the big picture in mind for the civ, appoints high kings, can

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

No, no, no, no.

A High King is the European equivilent of an Emperor, you don't have High Kings AND Emperors, just one or the other.

Whatever we call our "President" his deputies should be ministers (works with Emperor or High King) or advisors.

The first players (whatever limit we set) should be Kings and I think it would work best if played as a collective until we had the same number of cities as we had players at which point each player assumes a city as their kingdom.

Then as we expanded our civilization, those cities could build settlers and expand themselves or new cities could be opened up for annexation with some sort of vote as to how they get assigned.

(Say UnOrthO agrees to support OC's bid for possession of Stinkyshire in return for OC's support of UnOrthO's bid for New Swampshire. UnOrtho has also bought Donegal's vote for $6000 herrings so that he can chop down his forest later.)

[Donegeal]

I set up the titles as an order of progression. To me, an Emperor sounds more grand than a High King. A High King sounds grander (or more powerful) than a King. And a King definately sound higher than a Lord.

I thought about the titles of Minister, Advisior and Councilor, but none of them sounder superior to a King. In any case, they are just titles. They can be what ever we want them to be. Just remember there are 4 levels of power in this Feudal system.

[Arnelos]

Ghengis is right about the historical meanings of these words... but it seems that donegeal doesn't intend to use these titles as they were historically used, but rather to simply use them as a means of establishing that one person is "higher" in the social order than another.

I think it would be great if y'all in the Glory of War team modelled an actual feudal hierarchy somewhat akin to the Holy Roman Empire...

The "Empire" is composed of a large number of autonomous principalities, each ruled by a "Prince" (along with zillions of other titles, but that's beside the point). The princes gather at the death or removal of each previous emperor to elect the next emperor from among them.

The fact that this form of using elections among the nobility as a method for the succession of power actually existed in a very warlike historical empire I think would make it a good model for you in the Glory of War team

[Donegeal]

Originally posted by korn469
*high king of research and finance: proposes research, sets slider, and has power of hurries and upgrades
*high king of foreign affairs: same as what donegeal proposes
*high king of internal affairs: controls all workers and settlers, and unassigned cities
*high king of military: controls all military units, garrisoned or not

A High King of Commerce (your research and Finance) sounds like a possibility, but I'm still partial to leave the slider and Rushes/Upgrades in the Emperor's bag of tricks as it will be his responsability to over look the direction of the entire Empire. All this considered, we must remember that what I say does not set it in stone. Lets discuss this matter further.

High King of Internal Affairs is actually something I was hoping to avoid. I like the idea of a City-King being able to decide on his own what it best for his city. After all, he is the King of that city. Let him decide what to do with the units his city produces (except settlers).

High King of Military Affairs is a tough one. I was planning on using the Garrison Troops as a way to settle disputes between Kings over who gets what tile when (also to set up over throws of Kings). I will post another reply to describe my idea on this.

As for the Emperor proposing build queues for the overall picture of the empire, he can do that if he wishes, but due to Article I:A7, he already has the power to override the build of any city. Though I would think this would be a power he would use sparingly, as an abuse of this power will undoutedly result in a No-Con vote.

d. If all other players have a City he can sell them to himself but doen't get commission

I like this. Maybe rewrite it to "Cannot sell city to himself until all other Kings have a second. Or "Must sell cities in an order to asure as equal power as possible among the Kings". What do you guys think?

[Donegeal]

Originally posted by Arnelos
Ghengis is right about the historical meanings of these words... but it seems that donegeal doesn't intend to use these titles as they were historically used, but rather to simply use them as a means of establishing that one person is "higher" in the social order than another.

I think it would be great if y'all in the Glory of War team modelled an actual feudal hierarchy somewhat akin to the Holy Roman Empire...

The "Empire" is composed of a large number of autonomous principalities, each ruled by a "Prince" (along with zillions of other titles, but that's beside the point). The princes gather at the death or removal of each previous emperor to elect the next emperor from among them.

The fact that this form of using elections among the nobility as a method for the succession of power actually existed in a very warlike historical empire I think would make it a good model for you in the Glory of War team

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