Spite and Malice....

[Master Zen]

now that you mention it I had only read the first two pages

(and now I'm realizing I've kinda added things which were already said and explained...)

[Harovan]

The bull in his civgroup icons released the next pile of ****.

[notyoueither]

MZ seems to think we are angry that GoW declared war over the cities. We are not. We expected they would do it. We ourselves would have been sorely tested to not attack them if the situations were reversed, and we have yet to meet a team with which we have broken every single agreement we ever had with them.

They should get over the **** they themselves do, then maybe they can move on.

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
As for the ISDG, I think I left the team at the right time. At this time I already could see, that the team spirit is pretty bad. I'm not surprised to hear, that this didn't get much better. I never regret this step, even though I'm inactive now in my new team and thus, practically out of the game.

I have to admit, that after the last pile of flames and insults I have serious personal issues with many of the active GoW members. This is not limited to this game anymore and not at all "only skin deep". I'm at a point, where I won't join any new game, be it a demogame or only a PBEM, with these people. And I deleted MZO from my links list. I tried to calm things down, but in return I got basically (with other words), that it can't be helped, the flames won't stop and if I don't like it, I can bugger off. Strangely, this feeling is limited to GoW, since ND does not participate in the flame wars and limits its contribution to calm and mostly insightful comments.

Sir Ralph,

I understand you were one of the people felt the remarks by some of us GoWers were personal insults. I have tried once and again to explain that they weren't yet for some reason that has been as yet unsatisfactory. In return it seems to me that you choose to boycott somethings even as trivial as a PBEM for these grudges. Is that any better than the grudges we supposedly have with GSers as people? I don't see Theseus, or Arrian, or OPD, or nye reacting this way, and my my, some of them like nye have quite a temper when they're pissed off.

What is worse, I have YET to see proof of a direct insult or flame towards a GSer like you claim. Yes we flaunted your TEAM'S honor code, yes, we called you opportunists and traitors FOR YOUR TEAM'S IN-GAME ACTIONS. I any of this getting through? At all? Have we not betrayed and backstabbed in PBEMs or MPs or whatever? Does this makes us real life jerks and traitors?

ITS A GODDAMN GAME FOR CHRISTSAKES!!!!!

And by the way, this is the second time you mention MZO in your posts as if it had anything to do with this. If that is not a personal grudge against me then I don't know what is... For the last time (and yes, I promise this is the last time I say this) I have no beef with any GSer, but it sure seems to me some of your have beef with us...

Finally, your laments on not joining our ISDG are totally out of place since frankly you have not the slightest darn clue of what our team spirit is since you are not a part of it. I must tell you that we argue just like any team with opposing viewpoints argues. Yet if it weren't for the ISDG, Apolyton spirit would have been much more collapsed due to the rivalries in the PTWDG. If it weren't for the ISDG I would not have had the pleasure to know and bond with people like nye, Trip, MrWIA, Togas, Arnelos, BigFree, Zargon, WhiteBandit, OPD, NuclearWinter, E_T, Vondrack, etc etc etc, my my my, it's a very long list. THat these people, many of who are my "enemies" in the PTWDG, are in the top rank of my Apolyton friends should be proof enough of just how "this hasn't gotten any better".

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by notyoueither
MZ seems to think we are angry that GoW declared war over the cities. We are not. We expected they would do it. We ourselves would have been sorely tested to not attack them if the situations were reversed, and we have yet to meet a team with which we have broken every single agreement we ever had with them.

They should get over the **** they themselves do, then maybe they can move on.

I know quite well you aren't angry over that since it is more than obvious you did it on purpose release yourself from the obligations of the NAP by that point. I was slammed for having even asked you for permission in crossing the borders, yet this was done knowing quite well the odds of you accepting were almost nil.

In fact, I am quite aware that GS is not mad at us at all for in-game reasons. We did what you wanted us to do didn't you?

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
The bull in his civgroup icons released the next pile of ****.

And civgroup icon gravity dictates it bounced off your GS shield and landed right in your golden cup.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Master Zen
And by the way, this is the second time you mention MZO in your posts as if it had anything to do with this. If that is not a personal grudge against me then I don't know what is...

For once you are right. It is a personal grudge.

Originally posted by Master Zen
Finally, your laments on not joining our ISDG are totally out of place since frankly you have not the slightest darn clue of what our team spirit is since you are not a part of it. I must tell you that we argue just like any team with opposing viewpoints argues. Yet if it weren't for the ISDG, Apolyton spirit would have been much more collapsed due to the rivalries in the PTWDG. If it weren't for the ISDG I would not have had the pleasure to know and bond with people like nye, Trip, MrWIA, Togas, Arnelos, BigFree, Zargon, WhiteBandit, OPD, NuclearWinter, E_T, Vondrack, etc etc etc, my my my, it's a very long list. THat these people, many of who are my "enemies" in the PTWDG, are in the top rank of my Apolyton friends should be proof enough of just how "this hasn't gotten any better".

I was a part of the team at the beginning. I left it, because I was unhappy with the team spirit. Thus, I'm not judging from outside, but extrapolating the feelings I had at this time, and it is you, who has no ****ing clue.

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
I was a part of the team at the beginning. I left it, because I was unhappy with the team spirit. Thus, I'm not judging from outside, but extrapolating the feelings I had at this time, and it is you, who has no ****ing clue.

That was around the time I joined, in February. Six months ago.

Things change, and don't tell me I don't have a ****ing clue about a team I'm actually in.

Anybody else care to comment on the ISDG's team spirit?

[Shiber]

MZ,

Until you learn some basic principles of social interaction, for example that words are often interpreted how they sound rather than how you meant them to sound, you will remain so tactless and continue to insult and hurt people who could otherwise be amongst your best friends.

[Hot_Enamel]

Phew

And here I was, thinking that this thread had really become too Luvy Duvy for my liking, and then Master Zen jumps in with two gum boots and stirs it right up for me

Woo Hoo MZ .... you rock




I am sorry .. cold hardcore analysis of recent game events is OK for a while, but I do prefer gold ol' Flame Threads the best.
Perhaps it's because I play Unreal way too much with my mates. Its quite normal to call someone a "sneaky camping M**** F***ker sniping piece of Sh!t" 4-5 times a game. It's all ingame agro, and everyone knows and laughs about it.

[Shiber]

There's the difference between Civ3 and Unreal and others.
FPS games come and go, but in a game of this nature people invest hundreds of hours of their past time, develop a fondness for their teams (in most cases), take pride in their work and so on. You just can't even begin to compare the two.
I too love to play FPS games with my friends, and I too taunt them during games and they taunt me back. Believe me, I know the joys of FPS flaming all too well.

[BigFree]

It's time for everyone to back away from this thread.

It IS only a game. It's getting way too personal.

If only panag were here to report this thread....

[WhiteBandit]

Shiber and Hot_Enamel, my fellow FPS breathen!

I just want to say:

I 0wn u!!!



In all honesty, I think everyone here needs to play some FPS games some more, it relieves some of that stress, especially when you name the bots after MasterZen. . . Hehe, joking!

[DeepO]

Sigh... finally we had steered away from personal insults and flame wars, only to get those same flames and arguments repeated again. MZ, no offense, but in the future please read all the pages before posting multi-post rants. Those are not exactly good foor 'poly-spirit. Especially if they do not contain any new info.

DeepO

[Arrian]

I was rather enjoying the strategic discussion.

A BIG to Beta! Thanks for posting that internal Voxian stuff! And yes, the decision to attack us wasn't really your mistake - it was the timing. Hit us earlier, before feudalism, and you could have really hurt us. I dunno about totally conquering us, but you coulda taken a bite outta us, and then maybe fought us to a standstill (and then we'd both be small and weak, heh).

MZ - read the rest of the thread. And, though I've gotten over it because I know you're a good guy (from MZO & our OTF discussions), some of the things you've said here have pissed me off too, like Sir Ralph (just not as much, I guess). Especially when you try and make GS look like dealbreakers. That's laughable, given GoW's record. But I think it's fair to say that neither side is gonna "win" that debate, so let's just drop it, eh? And let the pixelated swords do the talking...

-Arrian