The Glory of Manifestos

[Hot_Enamel]

There have been a couple of replies since.. but I cant be bothered bringing them over

Here was my last post in the thread

Originally posted by nbarclay

Still, I get extremely irritated when members of GoW try to portray our honor as worthless. There is a long way between "not quite 100% perfect" and worthless.

Nathan

Nah... I would probably say it is worthless.

GS put themselves on this pedestal as being the most almighty righteousness civ in the game.
The above couple of posts seem to indicate that GS broke the NAP just to “even the score” with GoW. Thats fair enough, we are doing the same to RP.
Don’t start blaming us if we feel we have to point out that your honour code ain’t worth **** anymore.

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by BigFree
MZ: You are complaining to GS about the "spirit" of a NAP you had with them when you should look at your own actions against RP, a team you had a NAP with, before you complaign any further to GS or the world at large.

umm, just in case you forgot last week's trash-talking sessions...

RP and GoW didn't have a NAP!!!

[Donegeal]

[out of PTWDG voice]

I find it completely facinating that all sides in this debacle are all pointing fingers at each other and accusing each other of the same thing.

At every stage, this game has mimicked the real world. I am now trying to comprehend the implications of this.

We have done an excellent job of everyone trying to win, or....

Our real leaders have actually done a good getting us to this point.

[/out of PTWDG voice]

Donegeal: Mom!!!!! Gathering Storm is Cheating!!!!
Nathan: Oh, man! He's getting his mom! Let's get out of here!
Don's mom: Alright you little twerps! Get back over here and play nice!

Everybody scatters. They forget the GAME and go on to something else. Except Don. Don gets grounded for a week. Thanks guys!

[vulture]

GAME?? You mean this is a GAME???

Heretic.

[Shiber]

Originally posted by Master Zen
umm, just in case you forgot last week's trash-talking sessions...

RP and GoW didn't have a NAP!!!

In Nathan's words: We have an MPP but we don't have a NAP = we have four rocks but we don't have two rocks.

I am willing to accept that other teams may have different ideas of what certain clauses and certain wording implies, but to repeatedly underplay some agreements and overplay other agreements is plain manipulation of words, MZ.

[OPD]

Am I the only one who really loves these kind of threads, the emotion and desire expressed in these threads is so much more appealing than the usual stuff. Accusations and slander add a whole new dimention to the game and make things alot more interesting and emotional when it comes to crunch time.

[Hot_Enamel]

Originally posted by OPD
Am I the only one who really loves these kind of threads, the emotion and desire expressed in these threads is so much more appealing than the usual stuff. Accusations and slander add a whole new dimention to the game and make things alot more interesting and emotional when it comes to crunch time.

100% agree....
Havent had as much fun since the Vox-GS slagfest

[FrustratedPoet]

100% disagree, obviously.

You guys do whatever makes it more fun for you. If slander, abuse and personal attacks are what keeps your interest in the game then ... so be it, but you're all very weird.

[BigFree]

In the the 'spirit' of every MPP there's a NAP. And within that 'spirit' is the 'spririt' that you shall not do 'hostile act' towards the team you have that agreement with.

I realize that most of this is open for interpretation. GoW obviously sees it one way and RP sees it another and possibly each team in this game sees it differently than each other one! It's human nature to cast shadows on a subject in a way that shows your actions in the best possible light.

Perhaps we truly need a UN; a body or bodies who can interpret things in-game and out as to it's intended meanings and the 'spirit' of agreements and the game mechanic questions.

[WhiteBandit]

Originally posted by OPD
Am I the only one who really loves these kind of threads, the emotion and desire expressed in these threads is so much more appealing than the usual stuff. Accusations and slander add a whole new dimention to the game and make things alot more interesting and emotional when it comes to crunch time.

Oh yeah, as long as everyone keeps it in perspective and realizes that this is all a game nonetheless (I mean hell, I work with the smelly MZ guy in the ISDG anyway).

Besides, OPD, you're ugly and you stink!

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by FrustratedPoet
but you're all very weird.

It is the untold criteria to be admitted here.

[Arnelos]

I'm fine with trash-talking, it's arguing what the definition of is is that annoys the crap out of me.

Some of you don't seem to understand that you aren't winning any points and certainly aren't winning any supporters by continuing to argue this well past the point of the argument's usefulness.

If you progressed to new topics, that could be interesting (that's what we did in the old SPDG campaign threads ), but simply re-hashing to same jaded arguments over and over and over (both sides...) gets boring.

It seems to me that no one of the set of people you desire to convince is really listening anymore or really cares.

But if you want to continue wasting your time, fine by me.

[Panzer32]

Thank you Arnelos.

My new topic for discussion is that Roleplay sucks.

Or has that been discussed previously?

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by BigFree
In the the 'spirit' of every MPP there's a NAP. And within that 'spirit' is the 'spririt' that you shall not do 'hostile act' towards the team you have that agreement with.

BF, I think we already went over this countless times, if RP really though MPP=NAP, then why did you explicitly try to include a NAP during the negotiations for a second treaty?

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Arnelos
It seems to me that no one of the set of people you desire to convince is really listening anymore or really cares.

Willing to bet on it?