Oppositions to Arabs

[GePap]

Most players play most games on new maps, so the geographic argument against the Arabs is meaningless for the basic civ game, which ahs always been centered around brand new maps, since on a world map, you know where everything is at the start.
The Arabs re a great addition to the civ game. The problem is not too mnay, but too few. Its too bad the graphics are getting to a point that it is difficualt for most players to add new things sinc ethye lack the computer graphics skills to add all the necessary paraphenalia.

[Ikarus]

Originally posted by Gangerolf
actually we should have more middle eastern civs, like the Assyrians, Hittites and a couple more i can't remember right now

Yeah, like the Phoenicians too.

[Rebel67]

I don't play on the world maps so a crowded Europe doesn't bother me too much (Something about the British Isle appearing to be off the coast of spain that puts me off). New civs shouldn't be chosen based on how they will fit on a world map but by what impact they had on the world.

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Ikarus


Yeah, like the Phoenicians too.

Thats more mediterranean, stupid

[Ikarus]

Originally posted by Kramerman


Thats more mediterranean, stupid

It could be argued both.

The name-calling is unneccessary.

[Az]

actually, a great way of putting it would be a canaanite civilization. . Both Hebrews and Phoenicians are a part of the canaanite people that had common heritage language group ( the languages ,are very similar, and one could probably get confused between them ). The hebrews were the one part of those group of people that first raised the level of their primary deity to a monotheistic god., while the phoenicians dominated trade. there are several less known , and much smaller kingdom.

The cities of this civilization would be ancient cities of Israel, and what is now Jordan and Lebanon, The Carthaginian cities ( because Cathargo is basically a phoenician city-state ) , Cities that the phoenicians had all around the middle east , and the new Israeli cities.

If firaxis could do this by lumping all mesapotamic civilizations into a 'Babylon' , I think that it could be done to the nations that lived and still live in the East Med , Including the ones that , for some reason, call themselves arabs.

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by rob.derosa
England is 5000 years old, may not be the oldest, but certainly older than America with only a few centuries. Why not replace the Americans with the Inca, much better.

1) america influence(d/s) the world a lot more than inca, iroquois, maya, sioux, etc... even though it only exists since a few centuries.

2) civ3 is primarily programmed for western countries and mainly for america. by including the americans they could sell it better ...

i could bet you, that most (non-hardcore) players play mainly their own civ

[rob.derosa]

Originally posted by sabrewolf


1) america influence(d/s) the world a lot more than inca, iroquois, maya, sioux, etc... even though it only exists since a few centuries.

2) civ3 is primarily programmed for western countries and mainly for america. by including the americans they could sell it better ...

i could bet you, that most (non-hardcore) players play mainly their own civ

I was doing pointless ranting

Being kinda patriotic

[Ribannah]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
1) america influence(d/s) the world a lot more than inca, iroquois, maya, sioux, etc... even though it only exists since a few centuries.

I'm thinking that the world influenced America even more ...

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Ribannah
I'm thinking that the world influenced America even more ...

presently TRYING to, but not really successful

[Blue Moose]

Originally posted by sabrewolf


presently TRYING to, but not really successful

LOL.

I think it isn't necessarily about "what civs influenced the world the most" as opposed "what civs are interesting/neat." Which just naturally includes the civs of their customers (or maybe that part is just patriotism).

Though, if I was going to vote on what civilization influenced the world the most....I'd go with the Greeks (I think they probably win hands down).

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Blue Moose
Though, if I was going to vote on what civilization influenced the world the most....I'd go with the Greeks (I think they probably win hands down).

haha,
totally off-topic, but your post reminded me of "a big fat greek wedding" ... it's a must-see
whoever saw this one will understand, what made me laugh

but to bring it back on-topic:
i honestly can't decide which civ had the biggest influence.

you could group it by categories (e.g.)
scientificly: greeks (philosophy)
militaristically: romans, maybe also chinese

or by time
or geographicly...

but i really can't think of THE most influentual civilization.

[Traelin]

Originally posted by panag
hi ,

if they go for N-africa its fine , .....

but they should only be in if the Israeli are in , ....

Firaxis , please include them !

have a nice day

My sentiments exactly. I would've really like to have seen the Israelites/Israelis in PTW, especially since the Arabs are now in. They're an ancient Civ and have contributed greatly to the culture of the world.

[Kingof the Apes]

Originally posted by sabrewolf

but i really can't think of THE most influentual civilization.

I would say Romans, as they sread their culture all through Europe/Asia.

of course, they were influenced by the Greeks...

[hr_oskar]

Yes, the Romans indeed... according to Western history

I think the answer depends entirely on how you define the different 'civilizations'... I hate to sound like a smart-ass, but I believe that's true.

I might say that the most influential civilizations in their respective parts of the world have been the Chinese, the Greeks ('Hellenistic' civ), the Indians, and the Arabs.

On a more worldwide level, I think I must acknowledge that the most influential civilization of all has been the 'Western' one. In second place, the Arabs again... consider how widely Islamic civilization has spread, and thus impacted the regional cultures (the Mid-East, most of Africa, the Balkans, Central Asia, India, and South-east Asia).