new government types

[player1]

What we realy need is BOOST for Despotism.

So it becomes viable (but surely far away from prefect) government even in later stages.

Something like 8 free units in cities (4 in towns) and 16 free in metropolis.

Could be better option then Monarchy if you have HEAVY MILITARY (better it be, since you'll suffer heavy economy & growth penalities).


P.S.
Having doubled cost for unit cost in wartime could be nice twist too. It would favor governments with lots of "free units" abilities.

[Panag]

Re: new government types

Originally posted by sprucemoose3311
here are gov types i would put in:

totalitarianism
police state
dictatorship (more corruption, unhappiness, stronger military)

corporate republic: govt is both governing body and money makin business. cant tax people. war weariness is high

hi ,

, but a dictatorship should only have certain units , more foot soldiers , not tanks or so , ...

and there should at least be 4 new types of government in PTW , ...

have a nice day

[Darkworld Ark]

Originally posted by hzm


And why wouldn't they be a despotism?

Because Despotism sucks. The Germans couldn't have taken over all of Mainland Europe if they had the stupid "More than two, take away one" thing.

[Caliban]

Originally posted by Darkworld Ark


The Germans couldn't have taken over all of Mainland Europe if they had the stupid "More than two, take away one" thing.

I agree... We NEED Fascism in the game.

If we do not get social egineering...

[Caliban]

Originally posted by player1

Having doubled cost for unit cost in wartime could be nice twist too. It would favor governments with lots of "free units" abilities.

Good suggestion.

[ammt603]

If, for some reason, there are no new government types in PTW, does the AI use moded governments? And if it does, does it seem like it knows what its doing when it uses one of the moded govs?

[warmachine]

I have to disagree with social engineering in any Civ on aesthetic grounds. Social engineering makes sense in SMAC as sociology would be sufficiently advanced from the beginning. Changing aspects, such as from planned to free market economics, requires changing not just the law but popular ideology and culture as well. Free markets won't work if people are still following communist-style, industrial-productivity thinking, rather than hire-and-fire, worker-mobility and opportunism. A mass broadcast of ideas isn't possible until the Printing Press. I suspect it would have little effect until Nationalism. I believe national leaders couldn't effectively address a nation until the radio and television. This only allows social engineering in the modern age. This seems too late in the game for a new, fundamental game mechanic.

Historians might argue that I'm showing a modern-populace bias. If any historian can state an early social change that wasn't a complete revolution or natural, inevitable progress, then I can be persuaded. I would consider the secularisation during the Age of Enlightment as a natural result of scientific progress. I would consider the destruction of feudalism as an inevitable consequence of industrialisation and republican revolutions.

[HAND]

I'd have Fundanentalism back in-
-A research level at 10% of democracy
-The economy weaker than Monarchy
-Corruption equal to Monarchy
-Can support 10 units per city before upkeep needed

[HAND]

I'd have Fundanentalism back in-
-A research level at 10% of democracy
-The economy weaker than Monarchy
-Corruption equal to Monarchy
-Can support 10 units per city before upkeep needed

[Signa]

Fundamentalism & Fascism...

[player1]

Originally posted by HAND

Nah,
Nobody would use that.

[Stuie]

Originally posted by ammt603
If, for some reason, there are no new government types in PTW, does the AI use moded governments? And if it does, does it seem like it knows what its doing when it uses one of the moded govs?

The AI definitely uses modded governments, and seems to know what it's doing. Also, you can set the preferred government for each civ in the editor, and then they are even more likely to use whatever government(s) you add.

One of these days I'll finish up my mod and post it....

[ammt603]

thanks Stuie

[HAND]

Originally posted by player1


Nah,
Nobody would use that.

How about 15 units before upkeep needed? I would prefer it to be called 'Military State' rather then fundamentalism too. It would be an advanced form of despotism...like what Democracy is to Republic..

[Darkworld Ark]

Originally posted by HAND
It would be an advanced form of despotism...like what Democracy is to Republic..

So everybody would still use Despotism?