Civs included. Just the facts madam.

[Mister Pleasant]

The Gamespy screenshots from the E3 preview include a city called 'Salamanca' which is in Spain. Spanish are in?

[Gramphos]

Persepolis is on the mapscreen which means that the Persians are in.

[senowen]

In this picture http://www.gamespy.com/asp/image.asp...v3/image18.jpg there is a city called Gewauga which was a village of one of the nations of the Iroquois, who were not one tribe but an alliance of tribes.

Also, there is the city Persepolis, which was the great city of the Persians. Bactra was a city in the Persian empire as well. The Persians have to be in there.

Plus in this shot http://www.gamespy.com/asp/image.asp...v3/image20.jpg the city of Nippur is shown. Nippur was an ancient Sumerian city, which would have made it part of the Babylonian civ in CivII.
[This message has been edited by senowen (edited May 17, 2001).]

[Bereta_Eder]

Thank you Mister Pleasant
Thank you vgriph
Thank you senowen

First of all in the matter of the american indians (sorry to have confused you, I was thinking in greek were Indi is indians and indiani is american indians).

We have 3 facts that strongly suggest Iroquois.

_the text in the Firaxis site (in diplomacy section)
_the village (city) Gewauga
_the american indian leader (?)

I'll give Iroquois a 90% of being in. If only we could identify the leader it would be 100%.

On the matter of the Persians

I think Persepolis is a clear indication I would be more comfortable if we have a leader face to go with that but I think the capital (and also Bactra) is enough proof that our old adversaries are in.

On the matter of the Spanish.

We have got the name of an undisputably Spanish city Salamanca.

On the matter of the Babylonians

Nippur was the second city name after Babylon if I remember correctly.

I just hope these city names in the screenshots weren't written in random...

So, so far we know that:

GREEKS ARE IN
AMERICANS ARE IN
GERMANS ARE IN
CHINESE ARE IN
ROMANS ARE IN
FRENCH ARE IN
RUSSIANS ARE IN
ZULUS ARE IN
ENGLISH ARE IN
AZTECS ARE IN
EGYPTIANS ARE IN
INDIANS ARE IN
MONGOLS ARE IN
AMERICAN INDIANS ARE IN (90% the Iroquois - see the thread for hints)
PERSIANS ARE IN
SPANISH ARE IN
BABYLONIANS ARE IN

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JAPANESE (open for debate plz see the samurai(?) unit at http://viewer.fgnonline.com/fgn_medi...ws%2Funits.jpg

VIKINGS (?) (see the boat at the abovementioned ULR. Viking longboat?)

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Keep the info coming guys and girls

[This message has been edited by paiktis22 (edited May 17, 2001).]

[Gramphos]

As we are over 16 civs that information is either false or, we have taken someone not in the game.

[Bereta_Eder]

quote: Originally posted by vgriph on 05-17-2001 04:12 PM As we are over 16 civs that information is either false or, we have taken someone not in the game.

vgriph read this I posted earlier :

Note: Gamespot say that Civ 3 will have 16 civs.

BUT, Firaxis Programmer Mike Breitkreutz said on this forum that «Firaxis has made no official announcement concerning the number of civs that may or may not be in the game».

I take this at face value: No official announcement about the number of civs you can SELECT FROM - AND - no official statement about how many civs will simultanously playing in the game.

So I removed the line on my previous post that said "16 civs will be included

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Now I think minor civs might come to play....

[Mister Pleasant]

Ooo! Ooo! Ooo! (He exclaimed in his best Horshack voice)
I'm a warlord!

Sorry.

[Locutus]

And the plot on the Iroquois thickens...

Onnotare (a city from that GameSpy screenshot) is also a Iroquois village (found a reference on http://www.tolatsga.org/iro.html).

The city of Bunyar (again, from the screenshot) *might* be Iroquios as well. Apparently Paul Bunyar was some sort of legend from the Wisconsin/Michigan area, Iroquois territory (too many URLs to mention, just try your favorite search engine).

Oka is a famous Iroquois related name as well. The Canadians among us should certainly remember the Oka Crisis of 1990: Mohawks (an Iroquois tribe, in case you didn't know) vs Canada, fighting over a golf course in Oka, Quebec (http://www.newsworld.cbc.ca/flashback/1990/).

I don't know about you guys, but it's pretty clear to me that the search for the Indian Tribe can end here...
[This message has been edited by Locutus (edited May 17, 2001).]

[Bereta_Eder]

wow! Locutus, would you be interested in working for my private detective's office (assuming I had one!)

Dank u Locutus

If no one objects, I'll add the remaining 10% to the Iroquois (the only thing that might not click is the form of the huts behind the american indian leader - but this is really minor and not 100% certain I think. Besides the facts that point to Iroquois are now overwelming)

So, so far we know that:

GREEKS ARE IN
AMERICANS ARE IN
GERMANS ARE IN
CHINESE ARE IN
ROMANS ARE IN
FRENCH ARE IN
RUSSIANS ARE IN
ZULUS ARE IN
ENGLISH ARE IN
AZTECS ARE IN
EGYPTIANS ARE IN
INDIANS ARE IN
MONGOLS ARE IN
IROQUOIS ARE IN
PERSIANS ARE IN
SPANISH ARE IN
BABYLONIANS ARE IN

TOTAL:17 (which means we have to have at least one more civ to have an even number - if Civ 1 and Civ 2 practise of one color two civs will be implemented in Civ 3)

Note: The confirmation of some (very few) of this civs is based only on a city name that we have found in screenshots of Civ 3. All others have more than one hard evidence that confirms their inclusion in Civ 3.
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JAPANESE (open for debate plz see the samurai(?) unit at http://viewer.fgnonline.com/fgn_medi...tp%3A%2F%2Fwww .fgnonline.com%2Fmedia%2Fpc%2Fnews%2Funits.jpg

VIKINGS (?) (see the boat at the abovementioned ULR. Viking longboat?)

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[This message has been edited by paiktis22 (edited May 17, 2001).]

[Gramphos]

quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 on 05-17-2001 09:19 PM TOTAL:17 (which means we have to have at least one more civ to have an even number - if Civ 1 and Civ 2 practise of one color two civs will be implemented in Civ 3)

Civ 2 had three civs per color. (total 21)

quote: VIKINGS (?) (see the boat at the abovementioned URL. Viking longboat?)

As the Americans have that boat (the mapscreen again). In the lower right corner next to the city producing privateer. I think the ship may be a privateer or a trireme.

[Locutus]

quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 on 05-17-2001 09:19 PM wow! Locutus, would you be interested in working for my private detective's office (assuming I had one!)

Sure, send me an email or ICQ as soon as you start one

quote: Dank u Locutus

Graag gedaan, paiktis22. Sinds wanneer spreekt men in Griekenland Nederlands?

I think 16, 18 and 21 are the most logical numbers for the total number of civs now. If the Vikings and Japanese are indeed both in the game too (I personally think that's very premature to say at this point), my guess is that all Civ2 civs are still there.

Now if you'll excuse me, I think I'll go study some old screenshots for more possible clues

[SerapisIV]

quote: Originally posted by Locutus on 05-18-2001 10:30 AMmy guess is that all Civ2 civs are still there.

It has already been stated that there are only 16 civs getting the full Firaxis treatment (full diplomacy, leader, unique stuff [shudder]). Because of that all Civ2 civs couldn't make it into the game. Civ1 civs on the other hand could, but I don't remember the full number of Civ1 civs.

[senowen]

quote: Originally posted by SerapisIV on 05-18-2001 11:09 AM It has already been stated that there are only 16 civs getting the full Firaxis treatment (full diplomacy, leader, unique stuff [shudder]). Because of that all Civ2 civs couldn't make it into the game.

I thought the only place that this information came from was previewers, who I doubt saw the game even as it is going to be seen today at E3. The fact that Firaxis has stated time and again that they have made no official announcement yet gives me a feeling that the number is definately not 16, since it was after people said 16 that they made the announcement.

[Locutus]

SerapisIV,
The fact that we have fairly strong evidence on 17 civs already in combination with the points senowen makes lead me to believe that there could be more than 16 civs. But as I said 16, 18 and 21 are all three still options, I'm not excluding anything yet. But IF, and only IF there are more 18 civs, I think the civs will be identical to those in Civ2 (except for the Sioux -> Iroquois change that is).

Civ1 had 14 Civs BTW, all the above mentioned 'certain' civs minus Persia, Spain and Iroquois.

BTW, someone asked before if anyone knew an Iroquois leader, I found lots of info on Hiawatha, he apparently united the Iroquois tribes in the 15th/16th century. But AFAIK there's no decent picture/painting/whatever of the man available so it's not likely we'll ever be able to confirm that the screenshot of the Iroquois leader is indeed Hiawatha.

[SerapisIV]

quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 on 05-17-2001 04:02 PM On the matter of the Spanish. We have got the name of an undisputably Spanish city Salamanca.

Salamanca was also a Roman settlement in its Luisitania province.

A big complaint was the lack of more city names, in the Gamespy screenshot, they show Waukegan, a city in New Jersey of all places. In addition the Salamanca city has the color borders as Persepolis. I would definitely not say that the Spanish are a Civ3 civ yet. Which brings the total to 16, not 17. Therefore the arguements for all Civ2 (or >16) civs can not be confirmed yet