two months have passed, and we have no idea when next patch will be released

[Pythagoras]

Re: Product Improvement

Originally posted by CharlesUFarley


Then why not work with us, instead of against us, geez! We're either your allies, or your enemies - it's perfectly logical. There is no "hate" in this matter, I don't know any of you personally, just as you guys don't know us. It's business, either we can help or we can't. Smell the roses!

Charles.

Some points and infinite elipsi

1 The game works 99% of the time.... (try EU1 or 2 on release)
2 The standard civ3 game can probably be played for years without growing old.
3 You can live with things like your knights making high pitched girly sounds.
4 Its not like Firaxians go into work and sit on their duffs all day long, they are doing something to earn their dough, and being Firaxians that something translates to your entertainment.
5 Some of us keep ourselves busy with our lives as well as the occasional civ3 game.
6 Go patronize the never amazingly profitable strategy gaming industry and buy EU2 if you are that bored.
7 Firaxis knows we want a patch one new complainer isnt going to change Firaxis's grand strategy.
8 If you hate the game - you shouldnt have bought the game on release without doing some research you savvy consumers you.

[Kiltdown]

Re: Re: Re: You shouldn't have gone there with me Dan..

Originally posted by Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS


Try years...

Jeff

One of the interesting things about this phenomenon is the apparent bizarre correlation between repeat business and complaint level. I've been a casual student of this since the days of the UO release. Here are some tedious and probably inaccurate musings.

Strongly dissatisfied people don't bother to post or reply, they made a mistake and cut their losses early, usually with a terminal event of returned product. They are invisible save for their statistics.

Moderately dissatisfied people complain for a while, then give up and accept what comes, or simply give up. They go quietly into that dark night. When the next release comes out, they are likely to buy it.

Generally satisfied people come and make suggestions, raise issues, look for tips. When the next release comes out, they almost certainly buy it.

Positively passionate customers love helping others love the game as much as they do. They're usually too busy having healthy, productive lives that they miss the Beta announcement by a day. When not being generally helpful to newbs, they post in opposition to ...

THE WRONGED. These are the negatively passionate customers who so love the product (or the thought of what the product could be) that each flaw hurts like a harsh word from the spouse. Eventually that pain drives them mad, though they never seem to actually leave. They will claim to sever a connection to the game, usually with a "Why I must leave" announcement numbering between 2 and 4 pages in one (or more) message board, though they will probably just lurk ever after. They will almost certainly find a way to make it into the beta for the next release. That news is sort of good: their critical nature is often a great boon to testing and play-testing. Any advice not followed become a cause celebre after release however. Did I fail to mention it? They always buy the next release.

[Dida]

STACKED MOVEMENT!!!
WE NEED THE STACKS.

This game is too f**king tedious toward the end w/o it. I have been playing it even since it came out. But only completed 2 games. Because I just got tired of moving hundreds of tanks. A patch is absoluted needed.

[bahoo]

Hey Firaxis, instead of firing off these short little childish remarks, why don't you answer the friggin' question, that being is there another patch in the works?

You complain about all the noise on these forums, yet you sit here and provoke it. It's one thing not to answer a thread, it's all whole nother to post in the thread and not even answer it. I could probably make a list of 5 questions, that if you gave an honest, thorough response to, would wipe out 90% of the noise.

But we all know the real reason why you don't answer. Because you're NOT making another patch, don't intend to make another patch, and aren't going to say that because your game is still sitting on the shelves at stores.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Libertarian
I therefore clearly cannot choose the wine in front of me...

Hehe, that was a good movie. "AASsssss you WIIIISSSSHHH!!!!" I always did like Andre the Giant.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by bahoo
You complain about all the noise on these forums, yet you sit here and provoke it. It's one thing not to answer a thread, it's all whole nother to post in the thread and not even answer it.

sometimes it's really hard not to post, no matter what guidelines you have said you will follow in your use of the forums

I could probably make a list of 5 questions, that if you gave an honest, thorough response to, would wipe out 90% of the noise.

hint: check out a certain thread in the strategy forum

But we all know the real reason why you don't answer. Because you're NOT making another patch, don't intend to make another patch, and aren't going to say that because your game is still sitting on the shelves at stores.

yeap, and they are just sitting in their desks, doing nothing or lurking in the apolyton forums having fun while watching us wait for the patch



patches are like women: if you wait for one and it doesnt come then it was probably not worth it
so, forget about waiting and if it comes, be happy. if not, move on with your life

[Argos65987]

Everyone that has their panties in a knot over news of a patch please read the following thread:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=40647

If Firaxis gave a tentative date for patch release and missed (which happens, no matter what anyone says about never missing a deadline, all I say to that is "So far...") they would be burned in effigy.

Everyone, now, collective deep breath. The sun will surely still rise tomorrow.

[Pythagoras]

Originally posted by MarkG
sometimes it's really hard not to post, no matter what guidelines you have said you will follow in your use of the forums

hint: check out a certain thread in the strategy forum

yeap, and they are just sitting in their desks, doing nothing or lurking in the apolyton forums having fun while watching us wait for the patch



patches are like women: if you wait for one and it doesnt come then it was probably not worth it
so, forget about waiting and if it comes, be happy. if not, move on with your life

To me there are 2 posibilities, Civ3 patch is being worked on, or Firaxis is in some secretive crazy state of upheavel.

[Dan Magaha FIRAXIS]

Don't tell anyone, but we just hired a bunch of guys from Texas who used to be top executives at some big-shot company down there... Elron, or something like that..

Dan

[FrantzX]

You're an evil, evil man Dan Magaha. Don't ever change.

[Dan Magaha FIRAXIS]

/begin bad pun

I'd start to smell pretty rank in that case, wouldn't I?

/end bad pun

[Venge]

Ya, but think of the time you would save!
Instead of showering and changing, you could continue working on the next patch and get it released several hours earlier!
ROFL

[Dan Magaha FIRAXIS]

Trust me when I tell you that *I'm* not the guy you want working overtime on the patch. The last time I really programmed C was in undergrad and about the most complex thing I could probably write on command would be akin to "Hello, World"..

Dan

[Venge]

Yes, I thought as much.
I just thought it was a funny thing to say, and hey, a lot of people here probably would seriously believe that you guys should not rest, sleep or change before your work is done.
LOL
Anyway, for what it is worth, I am one person that thinks Civ3 is great and have no problems with how you guys have gone about it all.
Just amazes me that you still come here for the thrashing you get everytime ...

[CharlesUFarley]

Originally posted by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS
Trust me when I tell you that *I'm* not the guy you want working overtime on the patch. The last time I really programmed C was in undergrad and about the most complex thing I could probably write on command would be akin to "Hello, World"..

Dan

I didn't even have to argue this time - not only in a public forum did Dan completely ignore my post but he neglected to say anything on the matter - usually a smart ass remark would have fit the profile, but nothing in this case. Here's probably why:

1) They've been working on the game, but aren't sure if we're going to like their changes - based on our feedback.

2) Have little or no intention on fixing the majority of the issues that have arrisen - and will eventually sell us a useless expansion pack or "Civ3 - Gold Edition" ten years from now at $29.95.

3) Have obviously given up on their fan community, and at this point just simply "do not care" anymore. That would explain the random snipings and smart ass remarks directed at the hardcore fans.

I applaud your proffesionalism!

Charles.