Whiners

[Trifna]

Originally posted by Libertarian


While I agree with most of the points made by what fanboys call whiners, I have a problem with the above point.

We have no rights whatsoever with respect to this site. Not the right to complain. Not any so-called right of "free speech". No right of any kind.

What we have is the privilege of posting that is granted to us by the site owners, who alone have rights with respect to this site. The entire concept of rights is meaningless outside a context of property.

To be more exact, you have some rights without property. Such as respect and others... But you also due respect to others. This is when advantages gained from "disrespect" (constitutionally or anything ) do not overpower the advantages.

Boy I'm making some fun... Silly silly me.

[Trifna]

Originally posted by Blackadar1
I think Darkforce gets the "biggest whiner of all time" award for starting a thread to whine about folks who don't share his opinion about this game.

He's no the worst, but I agree he's not a tiny bit constructive or meaningful to evoluate. It's pure whining...

[DATarbell]

Originally posted by CharlesUFarley

You came all the way in here to tell all the people who spent $50 a pop on a game, that we're not only imature, but we're wasting our time in these forums? I am sorry, but who are you to dictate what's fullfilling in life and what isn't? Who are you to say what people's needs should be, and what they shouldn't be? So why is it that you're here exactly? I missed your logic. Sounded like you were calling me imature for having a passion for games, and criticising the ones I don't like. I hope not.

Charles.

No. I came in here to state my opinion and to describe my experience. I never stated that you were wasting your time. Nor did I attempt to dictate anything. It's no wonder that you missed my logic. It doesn't even appear that you read what I wrote, or attempted to understand it for what it was: simply my opinion and my experience.

[N. Machiavelli]

Originally posted by DATarbell


No. I came in here to state my opinion and to describe my experience. I never stated that you were wasting your time. Nor did I attempt to dictate anything. It's no wonder that you missed my logic. It doesn't even appear that you read what I wrote, or attempted to understand it for what it was: simply my opinion and my experience.

Normally when people are insulted and called immature, they get a little defensive. Irrational, I know. When people come forth to offer constructive criticism, you lump them together with what you feel are "immature people" who "believe that the world should revolve around them and they are finding that it doesn't." Oh, but it's only your opinion, so we should all ignore it right? My opinion is that you are an *******. Does the fact that it's only my opinion and personal experience take away any of the sting?

As for this Anti-Whiner Jihaad, if the game is so darn great, in your opinion why are you here complaining about 'us' and not playing it?

[CharlesUFarley]

Originally posted by DATarbell


No. I came in here to state my opinion and to describe my experience. I never stated that you were wasting your time. Nor did I attempt to dictate anything. It's no wonder that you missed my logic. It doesn't even appear that you read what I wrote, or attempted to understand it for what it was: simply my opinion and my experience.

Oh I see, gotcha. Maybe next time you can watch your wording, it's full of implications.

Charles.

[Jodo Kast]

A LITTLE PERSONAL!

That is funny to see you squirm about an open discussion. It's just fine to make a poll that asks 'What aspect do you hate most about Civ3? And then list Length of Turn or Late Game Empire Management.

Yet if we do the opposite and ask why they are making such RIDICULOUS reasons, this is the response. Length of Turn? Late Game Empire Management?

Yes you Libertarian OF COURSE you don't like the Industrial Age because building your empire is over, it's time to hunker down and manage your Civilization for once.

Length of Turn? There are countless Civs moving, and if you want to play fast, play fast, but no we want EVERYTHING and we aren't making our own MODS cuz why?

I picked Lazy. Ignorance is no excuse for laziness. BTW, if you whine about silly stuff, yes we will think you are 10 years old.

[Blackadar1]

Judo, what you may consider trivial some others would consider crucial. For example, the endgame of Civ III bores me to tears as I feel like a janitor cleaning up pollution from my cities (until I get anti-polution advances) and mopping up the other Civs as they are totally ineffective in using modern units in a combined-forces attack. So I spend hours waiting on my armies to slog across enemy territory (since they can't use roads or rails), wiping out cities and waiting on the UN wonder to be built so I can just get the game over while running countless workers around the map improving cities while hoping that the one coal resource I can find on the map doesn't run out before I get through building my railroads.

Yet you consider complaining about this "silly". Well, many of us don't...glad you think you're getting your money's worth - I (for one) don't. That's not "whining", that a fact.

[DarkForce]

Originally posted by N. Machiavelli

As for this Anti-Whiner Jihaad, if the game is so darn great, in your opinion why are you here complaining about 'us' and not playing it?

I went to see lord of the rings a week ago.i didn't like it.i thought i wasted my money although it had some gooood fx.
however i didn't join a 'Lord of the rings' club or forum to talk about why i didn't like the movie or complain about the flaws i thought it had. or ask for my money back or try to convince people who liked it that they are wrong. i just don't care about it anymore.

i liked civ3 a lot. so i joined this forum to learn even more things about the game. instead of that i found many many people that joined this forum to talk about why they didn't like the game or complain about the flaws they think it has. or ask for their money back or try to convince people who like it that they are wrong.


i mean i cannot understand this behavior. i'm not complaning about the whiners.i didn't say the game is perfect or flawless and of course everybody has the right to express his opinion whatever that is. i just cannot understand why these people spend so much of their time in this forum for something they don't like!! what do they want to prove or accomplish???

[DaShi]

Originally posted by DarkForce



I went to see lord of the rings a week ago.i didn't like it.i thought i wasted my money although it had some gooood fx.
however i didn't join a 'Lord of the rings' club or forum to talk about why i didn't like the movie or complain about the flaws i thought it had. or ask for my money back or try to convince people who liked it that they are wrong. i just don't care about it anymore.

i liked civ3 a lot. so i joined this forum to learn even more things about the game. instead of that i found many many people that joined this forum to talk about why they didn't like the game or complain about the flaws they think it has. or ask for their money back or try to convince people who like it that they are wrong.


i mean i cannot understand this behavior. i'm not complaning about the whiners.i didn't say the game is perfect or flawless and of course everybody has the right to express his opinion whatever that is. i just cannot understand why these people spend so much of their time in this forum for something they don't like!! what do they want to prove or accomplish???

Visit a LOTR forum and ask them the same question.

[Libertarian]

Yes you Libertarian OF COURSE you don't like the Industrial Age because building your empire is over, it's time to hunker down and manage your Civilization for once.

Oh, stop whining.

[N. Machiavelli]

Originally posted by DarkForce
i mean i cannot understand this behavior. i'm not complaning about the whiners.i didn't say the game is perfect or flawless and of course everybody has the right to express his opinion whatever that is. i just cannot understand why these people spend so much of their time in this forum for something they don't like!! what do they want to prove or accomplish???

The main reason I'm here is the slim chance that someone who has any connection at all with the game development can hear my suggestions. Civ3, currently, is a good game. By itself, eliminating all expectations, all hype, all promises, it scores about a '7.0' . But it has the potential to be so much more. It can move from being a 'good' game, to the 'great' game the majority of folks expected from people who created such industry giants as Alpha Centauri and Civilization II.

What made both games endure for such a long time was their replayability value. This was more than just what was given to us out of the box; we were allowed to customize nearly every miniscule aspect of the game, while still keeping what made the game great in the first place. The play-balance nuances can, and would be, edited out completely by the users if we were given the ability to do so as we were promised. And yes, we were promised. A "more powerful and unprecedented" editor, they continue to claim on their site. Unprecedented, yes; seeing as how none of the other methods of edit where this watered-down. More powerful? No.

The bottom line is that the majority of problems that us 'whiners' are complaining about could have never arisen had we been given the proper tools to change it. The ability to toggle things like 'firepower' and individual unit HP could have solved all the combat gripes. The ability to completely edit current civs, including their portrait and such would also have also have been nice. There are too many things to list here, but they all could have deflected the vast majority of negative comments about the game.

Civilization II lasted for more than half a decade because of it's flexability and replay-value when it came to customization and mod creation. Will Civilization III last beyond next year? In it's current form, I doubt it. Likely, they will release an expansion pack that will give us what we originally expected, but cost us twice as much to get as we originally thought.

Those who enjoy the game as it is currently, good for you. I really wish I could be as content. It reminds me of the original Star Wars and now the Phantom Menace. The originals were great; sure the special effects were hokey by modern standards, but it had a following for a reason. The Phantom Menace, on the other hand, had great 'eye-candy', but everything else sucked; it lacked the depth of the previous movies. To us 'whiners' Civilization III is our Phantom Menace.

[Libertarian]

Well said, Mach. Well said.

[CharlesUFarley]

Originally posted by DarkForce



I went to see lord of the rings a week ago.i didn't like it.i thought i wasted my money although it had some gooood fx.
however i didn't join a 'Lord of the rings' club or forum to talk about why i didn't like the movie or complain about the flaws i thought it had. or ask for my money back or try to convince people who liked it that they are wrong. i just don't care about it anymore.

i liked civ3 a lot. so i joined this forum to learn even more things about the game. instead of that i found many many people that joined this forum to talk about why they didn't like the game or complain about the flaws they think it has. or ask for their money back or try to convince people who like it that they are wrong.


i mean i cannot understand this behavior. i'm not complaning about the whiners.i didn't say the game is perfect or flawless and of course everybody has the right to express his opinion whatever that is. i just cannot understand why these people spend so much of their time in this forum for something they don't like!! what do they want to prove or accomplish???

Becuase we paid for the damn game. And when I pay for something that gives me the right to complain about it, and since Civ3 was no where near what I expected (lacking so many features and so forth) that only fuels my anger. Get it yet? The only people that have no right(s) are the idiots in these forums that "whine" about "whiners". And its so pathetic to see people coming in here calling disatsified customers - "whiners". I would sure like to see if these people would have the nerve to do so in person. Grow up, people have a right to complain, the gaming industry is a billion dollar industry now. Think about it.

Final thought: The only whiners in here, are the people that whine about whiners!

Charles.

[yin26]

i mean i cannot understand this behavior.

Yes, but what if movies got patches? And what if movies were released before they were finished shooting? "The last 30 minutes of the movie will be available next Spring in an expansion pack." And imagine paying $50 for the first hour and another $30 for the remaining half hour packaged in the x-pack. Now also imagine you watch this movie while seated at a computer connected directly to a website dedicated to it.

Think of a good analogy at least.

By the way, I walked out of Romeo and Juliet (that crap release with Leonardo) and demanded my money back. I said, "Excuse me, that movie is horrible." The clerk looked at me confused and said: "Why is it out of focus?" I said: "No, it's just horribly bad. Can I have my money back?" I got a ticket to watch another movie there for free.

I then counted 15 people who saw my success and left the movie as well.

[TiredEnglishman]

Originally posted by yin26
I walked out of Romeo and Juliet (that crap release with Leonardo) and demanded my money back. I said, "Excuse me, that movie is horrible." The clerk looked at me confused and said: "Why is it out of focus?" I said: "No, it's just horribly bad. Can I have my money back?" I got a ticket to watch another movie there for free.

I then counted 15 people who saw my success and left the movie as well.

Wish I would've thought of that when I went to see Final Fantasy: Spirits Within.

T.E.