That does it! I'm outta here...

[Solomyr]

Locutus:
though i have yet to reply to any of your posts, in the last 6 months that i have been following Apolyton, i have gained a large amount of repest for you. Your reputation preccedes you and your avatar is quite recognizable . i deeply hope that the patch fixes many of the issues. keep an eye on it, maybe it will make civ3 bearable for you in the future. it is still a great game for me, even if it has ruined my grades and sleep patterns this quarter. Good luck with CtP, and i hope to see you back here sometime.

Solomyr

[Staszek]

Dear Locutus,

it's been a while since I visited Apolyton last time. A lot has changed, unfortunately. I'm still waiting for Polish release (not translated hopefully) but have more and more doubts. Maybe there are better thing to spend $50 on?

Anyway, although I hope that patch will fix lots of issues there is one thing that Firaxis cannot fix with any patch: it's loosing legendary Civ funs like you, Locutus.

Thank you and take care!

[orange]

It's a shame to see you go. You did wonders with those expansion pack threads, and for that, I think we are all very thankful.

You make a very valid argument, and you have every right to leave. They really dropped the ball on this one

[Mankind]

Originally posted by Staszek

it's been a while since I visited Apolyton last time.

the same me....

A lot has changed, unfortunately. I'm still waiting for Polish release (not translated hopefully) but have more and more doubts.

I even forgot when is the Polish realese
well, seriously I dont care, I have other things to do (eg. Linux!)
but i will buy the game....
(again: when is the realese?)


Ok, bye Locutus
but have you considered not-going-away? it's a shame that this isn't a joke

in Polish it would be:

do widzenia

(please consider your decision again, or if you realy want it that way...)

bye

[genghisvick]

Im sure Firaxis is now going to go out of business now that they have lost you as a customer...oh that's right you haven't even bought the game. If you feel you need to leave just leave but please don't cry about it.

[Vonotar]

Why I'm here

You may have noticed, I've posted a few times here and there.

It suddenly struck me that this is not normal for me. In the past i've been a "buy the game and just play it" type of person, getting involved in forums just isn't me.

Sadly the reason i'm here and not just playing the game it because i'm not getting the level of enjoyment that I expected from it.

The upcoming patch may improve things, alltho i'll still have to fiddle around with un-official add-ons to make the civs start in there proper locations.

Vonotar

p.s. for those annoyed with the slow release of a German translation I can only say one thing - what do you expect from a French company!!!!!!

[Mankind]

oops....... double post

[Mankind]

quoting myself

Originally posted by Mankind
I even forgot when is the Polish realese
(again: when is the realese?)

holy cow the realese is 12 this month
[well hopefully i have a chance to get the game erlyer (note: NOT warez and NOT pirate - this will be a legal american version, and i'll wait maybe for some "special pack" and if it will be nice then maybe i'll buy a new game )

maybe tomorrow, or tomorrow-after-tomorrow or...

[Bereta_Eder]

I hope all the things you are talking about Locutus will be fixed and that you come back.

[H Tower]

Originally posted by paiktis22


I hope all the things you are talking about Locutus will be fixed and that you come back.

doubt it.

[Ancientfool]

Hey, i have no idea who locutus is or whats going on but

OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!!

FIGHT THE POWER!!!

KILL WHITEY!!!!!

are we going to storm the bastille now?

[H Tower]

why don't we just burn france down to bed rock instead? that would get rid of those snooty french who made firaxis put out such a bad game

[JPWhite]

Please pardon me if I ramble a little on this one.

I purchased Civ way back when, and probly spent 2 or 3 thousand hours (easily) on the game.

Then came Colonization, and I was addicted all over again.

Then came Civ 2, and there goes more time in my life.

I'm thinking to myself when I heard that Sid was going to be doing Civ 3, that there could be nothing wrong.

The reason I enjoyed C1 so much was that it was different at the time. Colonization was different from C1, and C2 was different from both. I loved the differences, the changes, etc.

C3 came out, and I was the first one at my local compusa to purchase a copy, I know, cause the manager was waiting for me, as this was a major launch

Yes, Civ3 is different from all of the others, but yes, there are enough similiarities that I could dive right in (and lost the first 2 games before I really studied the manual, then the readme, then the editor for units and more information)

Along the way, I discovered that a part of the magic had been lost (for myself anyway).

Instead of blaming Firaxis, I choose to blame Infogrames, as they are the publisher, and publishers have a habit of FORCING early publications when the programmers know its not ready.

I do not blame any one person @ Infogrames for this, I blame them as a whole. Knowing that they did this KNOWINGLY to a well established bedrock of the 4x gaming community, I'm really thinking about not purchasing Moo3 (being just as addicted to Moo, but, having been disappointed in Moo2).

Some people say More is better, I believe Quality over Quanity. I am disappointed that Sids name has been ... tarnished by this release, and while I know on an active level of my intelligence (ok, I can't remember how to spell intellectual, or however its spelled, and I refuse to spell check this one, as this is straight from the heart, so to speak), on an emotional level, Sid has lost some of his ... faithfulness.

I remember the earlier Sid games, all of them were/are top quality for the time, having played most (but not all) of any game that came out with his name on it, I learned that Sid meant Quality.

I am not going to return this game, nor will I bash or scream or whine about what has been done (even though I suspect I am whining), however, I have lost some faith in Sid, I don't trust Infogrames (nothing personal to the French people on this comment), but, having seen how French Publishers have ruined a few games before, I am sad to say that I am not surprised.

Please, before anyone starts flaming me, remember that I am expressing my personal thoughts, my personal opinions, and my personal feelings. I direct this to no one, but everyone, I speak so that I might be heard, in the believe that somehow my thoughts and feelings might make a difference.

I feel that in Civ 3 there is a regression towards the original Civilization, almost a remake with better graphics and some new qualities. I love the concept of Culture, and I love the concept of Corruption. I actually am enjoying the effects of Corruption, its helping me rethink, relearn, and grow. Civ 3, if nothing else, has helped me learn how to be a better 4x thinker and planner. No more planting cities 4 left/right/up/down 2 right/left/down/up for maximum coverage and space, but, for the best harvesting of resources and choke points.

But there were/are too many seriously gaping flaws with what should have been a beautiful release. Too much was promised, and not delivered. Too much time has been spent waiting for a patch that should not have been needed for THESE particular fixes (Air Superiority, playing any scenario that is not named civ3mod.bic, AI Stupidity of city planting to name the ones that I am unhappy with).

I think I am done posting now, and if you feel that I have wasted your time by your reading this, then you have my apologies. If you feel that I may have said something incorrectly, or have missed something, then I welcome your input. If you feel that I might have said something right, then I am glad for the both of us.

Peace, goodwill to all, and may your Civilization stand the test of time (unless, of course, Multiplayer gets fixed, and I am involved... grin).

James P White

[Wolfar]

Originally posted by Bismark29
Wolfar from bombs-away.net?? If that is you, doesn't this forum remind you of that one when the Mighty 8th first came out? Hahahaha

YES I am Bismark. Also yes it does, and darn near EVERY game that comes out. Just go to a newly released game form and watch the bashing going on.

I personaly LOVE CIV3 it has captured MANY endless hours of my life so far. Do not care though for the save game bug that one is anoying. But I get passed it CIV3 is still a great game!

[ColdFever]

Originally posted by JPWhite
...Along the way, I discovered that a part of the magic had been lost (for myself anyway)...

Hi James, greetings from Germany,
thanks for your well writen post, I feel e-x-a-c-t-l-y the same way.

I think I even can tell you what kind of "magic" is missing in Civ3:
IMHO what missing is the "soul" of a great game.

Perhaps we do see now in the games business what already happened in the music business - the first decade was full of brillant gems, but in later years the spiritual pathfinders were followed by craftsmen, technically much more brillant but somehow lacking in a spiritual way.

For example to me the computer controlled players in Civ3 do behave like the ghosts who are after Pac-Man - they know what to do and with each level they are harder to deal with, but basically the pattern is predictable and not human-like. It just don't feel to me that they are alive, even though they are so lovely animated. As a comparison the characters of SMAC were somehow alive and much more credible, each one in his very own way - I loved that game right from the start (as the whole Civ-line) - in comparision Civ3 to me feels a little too "schematic", like something that has been implemented after a given recipe.

Of course I think Civ3 is a good game and fun - but there still is much work to do to bring it "alive" - IMHO to become a great game it still needs definately more "Soul" - perhaps we should send some "Sam&Dave" records as an inspiration to the dev team for the next patch.

Best regards
Kai Fiebach