That does it! I'm outta here...

[Immortal Wombat]

Wow, harsh





Welcome back Wouter! (not that you ever really left)

[Dr. Nick]

We've disagreed often, but this is what I call slamming the door on an exit.

[Changmai Beagle]

C'mon Joe - say it ain't so....

P.S. How about teenspeak (circa 1950's) - "Longityoso" ( the Patty Duke Show - although that's pretty L-7 )

On a more serious note, I understand your concerns regarding these issues - and it'll be nice having you back on the CTP forums - I've been enjoying (this is true!!!) playing CTP II with the new mods.

I'm not sure I agree on the issue of liability for modding. My experience is criminal rather than intellectual (law that is ) but I think it's unlikely IG would go after a mod maker. But that's a matter of opinion and I respect the concerns people have.

Anyway - I hope you'll be back on Civ III. I am hoping we'll see some essential modification ability soon

I guess I'll just end with:

Shane, Shane, come back Shane.......

[Venger]

Hey Beagle -

If you've seen my concerns on Civ3 here, can you tell me how I may like CTP2? I tend to prefer a realistic nation building game of empire and destiny. I don't like sissy spaceship wins, I want to win or die trying. Is CTP2 maybe a good game for me?

Venger

[Civ Dave]

I'm just upset that I paid 60 bucks for this, and I'm going to have to pay another 40 for the add on in march to make it work....

stupid Infogrames (I don't blame Firaxis one bit, they were rushed to meet the deadline, because people wanted money....)

the game is still playable, I did have to balance some stuff myself... but I WAS looking forward to MODing and Scenario making in Civ3, just like I used to in Civ2..... ahh the good old days, when my page had thousands of hits, lol

*note my page has been taken down for the last year

[Fredric Drum]

Originally posted by Venger
Hey Beagle -

If you've seen my concerns on Civ3 here, can you tell me how I may like CTP2? I tend to prefer a realistic nation building game of empire and destiny. I don't like sissy spaceship wins, I want to win or die trying. Is CTP2 maybe a good game for me?

Venger

Err... you gotta be kidding. But in case you're not: CTP2 is not a good game for you.


Fred

[madmario]

Give him a break

Locutus,

I of course am very sad to see you go, having personally enjoyed your various mods. On the other hand, I completely support your decision, and in fact argued for it in another thread. I can only hope that your decision will help pile some kind of pressure on Infogrames (perhaps via Firaxis) to clarify or alter their position, one blurry at best, awful for modders at worst.

Best Wishes,

-mario



and to cybershy...

Originally posted by CyberShy
Anyway, there's no good reason to start that discussion overhere as well.

Right. So keep it quarantined, instead of spreading the plague, OK?

[arktiem]

Re: That does it! I'm outta here...

I agree with you with all my heart, Locutus and as I have had more than my fill of Firaxis/Infogrames bilge I'll see you over at the CTP forums! I know you will be sorely missed, here in CIV III land, but am glad to see I am not alone in my feelings.

[History Guy]

We shall all miss you tremendously around Civ-Civilizations, Locutus!

[Nikolai]

This is sad... Both because Locotus now leaves, and because of this negative bull**** about Civ3! Civ3 is one of this year's best games, and I'm really disappointed to see all this nonsense that has been given Civ3!

Why are you people so negative? The reason "because of high expentations" wont hold for me, I also had that, and I, as said, like the game!

[Plumbean]

Plumbean

Dont quit now everything you work hard at will go for nothing and you are letting them win.When did we ever ask for permission to alter Civ II .In the beginning of Civ II there was no edit program hang in there and we will do it without Infogames.
They are trying to scare people there is no way they can go after every one who alters the game they would be cutting off there own fan base.PLEASE come back to the project.At least wait for the patch to come out you know there going to release a edit program to .I have found info on several other webs that people are writing program Edits for units,map and scenario building and save edits .WE ARE ALL BEHIND YOU do not QUIT we all feel the same way you do

[mattcj]

Sorry Locutus... I still think this is the most fun civ game, yet. Please stop the whining. If all of you hate this game so much, then stop visiting the forums, stop playing the game, and stop subjecting all of us fans to your non-stop whines.

I know, I know... the game should be available with a beta, demo, MP, absolutely no bugs, translations to every other language in existence, et al. Keep dreaming.

Kudos to Firaxis for releasing on time and producing a high quality product. I'm hopelessly addicted all over again. And I think it's good they left out the multiplayer if they felt they could do more with the quality and had some good, new ideas. Had they released it half-heartedly, you'd all be whining about it anyways. So what's the difference?

My only gripe is that they'll probably release the multi-player as an add-on (read: pay for) module when it should be an enhancement patch.

[Elucidus]

I don't think I read anyone complaining about the game playability itself, bugs withstanding. I believe it is the editor or lack thereof that is the problem. People want to mod and create scenarios that is what kept Civ2 alive for so long, not just because gameplay was fun. But now there are no more easily modded text files, animations aren't any kind of standard format. They made everything more difficult, that is what people are complaining about.


Locutus,

You have had quite an impact on the modding comunity as a whole. I myself was looking forward to some of the things you could create in Civ3. Hopefully, everything will work out and we will see you back here before too long. Good bye and good luck.

[kwhit]

An Opposing View

Regarding CTP:

Originally posted by Peter Triggs

So, how bout the multiplayer diplomacy bug you were working on, or that other multiplayer cheat bug. Somebody posted recently asking if it had ever been fixed; AFAIK no one ever's tried fixing it.

In CTP2 when you find a bug, you think to yourself "How can I fix it."

So people enjoy fixing the CTP2 bugs themselves? Hmmm. It seems like that should be the developers' job.

I think Civ3 is a great game. It's relatively bug-free (at least as bug free as any other game released these days) and the AI is the most advanced around IMO.

I also have found it amazing and wonderful that the Firaxis developers read and post into these forums (THANKS GUYS)! You won't find that with many other games.

What you people are failing to realize about the German translation issue is that a "mod" of this type can affect their bottom line. And remember that many companies' accounting books may be separate for Europe and for the US (so it DOES matter where you buy the product). That is why they wanted to put an end to the translation mod.

I have found that the base game of Civ3 is much more playable (and more fun) than 99% of the mods I've played for Civ2 and CTP2. I say, give me a great game 1st and worry about the mods 2nd. Civ3 is a great game as it stands and it sounds like Firaxis is working to improve it. That's good enough for me.

So, Lucutus, do what you want. I won't lose any sleep over your decision.

[Ghengis Brom]

Crosses arms and taps foot...

I had planned on buying CivIII LE as X-mas gifts but with everything thats going on I don't think it's a good idea. I definately won't be getting anyone the LE since I already got ripped off on it. The LE sux and everytime I look at that stupid tin I could kick myself. There are also the numerous bugs and unless the patch is something spectacular and unless it comes within the next 4 1/2 days, then CivIII is not being bought for any of my family or friends.

Can anyone recommend an alternative?

Me waiting for the patch on Monday ----->