Illegal is illegal, and not legal!

[Bakunine]

Originally posted by Ozymandous


Well since these places are where the majority of the pirating is then I guess you know why they released in the US first...

Heh, Europe may have money but when they don't buy your game and would rather pirate it then I don't blame them for waiting to release it there.

Actually most if not all big piracy that crack games are USA located. Even if they have members all over the world their servers usually are in the USA for economic reasons.

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They released in 29/10 the game cracked. So it seems hidding CD's from us all that are "thieves" around the world is just worthless.

PS: Don't start sending me mails or ICQ messages for the game because i don't have it YET.

[JamesJKirk]

This whole arguement is pointless, maybe aside from the moral/immoral argument: Over and over again I've heard software companies and software-type people say that casual pirating (ie, copying the game and giving it to a friend, or even using the software on multiple computers you own) is far more detrimental to the software industry than warez, and they say it always has been that way and always will be. What boggles me though, is if we (the consumers) are passed on the projected cost of such piracy, then why do companies release supposedly uncrackable software and it still has astronomical prices? Sounds to me like some people just like to find excuse to push up profit margins.

And drake, piracy has nothing to do with layoffs in the software community. Companies are downsizing because THEY made bad business decisions, ie overbuying hardware and overinvesting in companies that serve no real purpose

[Asesino_Virtual]

Hahaha, u moralists.

[Rasbelin]

Re: illegal ..... who gives a ****

Originally posted by GMOsco
Im am going to download the game simply because it is illegal
if it was not illegal then i would buy it.

Double morality? Does what's illegal when
it's illegal, but when it's made legal, he stops
doing that.

[Rasbelin]

Originally posted by Skanky Burns

So downloading and playing Civ 3 is not illegal, as long as you do complete your preorder.

...and pay for your legal version of the game.
Making a preorder doesn't make you a license
holder.

[Rasbelin]

Re: Re: Illegal is illegal, and not legal!

Originally posted by cort

spreading the manual cannot be illegal. a manual is totally useless, if you donot have the game, so there is nothing wrong with it.

Publishing any copyright protected material
without the permission of the copyright
holder is forbidden by law. In US too.

This doesn't mean that all copyrights would
be fair, but it's more fair for Firaxis that we
pay for our Civ III copies. Of course if we aren't
grateful to them for making the game for years,
then we can apparently (don't blame me,
quite many of you seem to have forgot that even
Sid should have some sort of compansation for
his efforts) just do what ever we want.

[Rasbelin]

Originally posted by ADG

Worldwide release would defently make piracy go down, cuz many people say: "the game just has been released and I want to play it now like the Americans, so I will download a warez copy". when the game arrives many will people say: "I got the game now, so why waste money buying the game"...I don't do it that way, but I know a lot of people who does it that way...

Good thought, ADG!

BTW, you would perhaps like to see this?
A movement for a worldwide release of the LE.
The Bisquit Tin Coalition!
www.the-bisquit-tin-coalition.cjb.net
www.bisquit-tin-coalition.cjb.net

[Rasbelin]

Re: An article for the naive

Originally posted by drake
This article is a year old, and the numbers have probably increased since then.

Interesting article, Drake. Thanks!

BTW, many of the Russian piraters are connected
to Russian organised criminals, so buying
CD-R's with illegal software from them,
is like giving protection money to a mobster
in Chicago in the 30's.

[Nenad]

Re: Re: An article for the naive

Originally posted by Rasbelin

Interesting article, Drake. Thanks!

BTW, many of the Russian piraters are connected
to Russian organised criminals, so buying
CD-R's with illegal software from them,
is like giving protection money to a mobster
in Chicago in the 50's.

Are the mobsters extinct in 60's in Chicago? Or later maybe?
How do you know that pirates are connected to organized crime (in Russia)?

Ozymandous:"Maybe for the same reason you don't steal things from stores when you can afford to buy them??

Do your parents care if you steal? I mean if you were caught shop-lifting would they be mad or just say "well he hadn't gotten his allowance yet so it's ok"?

Geeze, grow up and show some morals for once."

Are you sure that you are a perfect moral person who has right to patronize even on people's parents? How old are you? Do you know Eli for his (or her) entire lifetime, so you are sick and tired of his (or her)immorality?

I think that this discussion has gone too far.
Count me out.

[Faboba]

I have never pirated a game, with the exeption of Civ1 ( because - blow me down with a feather, I can't find it in the shops. So what am I to do, trail the country so I can find it in some bargin bin for £2.50?? )

As per the laws of Finland ( so what if I don't live there. If other people can justify their action by it..... ) I have shared..... I think a grand total of 7 of my games with my close friends - me personally borrowing 2 I can think of, and lend the rest.

Right now there are no games residing on my hard drive I do now own.

I JUST WANT ( and can I emphisize this point ) A COPY OF THE FRIGGIN PDF MANUAL. WHAT IN THE NAME OF GOD IS WRONG WITH THAT.

Jason said a couple of days ago he would send me it but I haven't heard anything since. It's not going to hurt Firaxis or infograms, in fact if I have it, I may be able to convince more people to buy the game.

All I ask is two things -

The .pdf version of the manual.
Someone to explain to me what the 'issues with voodoo cards' are. Because I'm sitting staring at a screen being run by a Voodoo 3 2000 and I just want to be sure the game will run.... OK?

[yin26]

Check the Help forum. It's all there. Firaxis admits to this problem and will have a fix. Until then, there is some stuff you can tweak manually.

[FuFu15]

Re: Illegal is illegal, and not legal!

Originally posted by Rasbelin
Civ III is out and so is all the illegal stuff related
to the game. So I think it's good to remind
three things.

1. Buying or dowloading an illegal copy of
Civ III is strictly forbidden by law.

2. Making copies of an authentic copy
of the game is also forbidden, unless
your local laws allow that. In Finland you're
allowed to make "a few copies" (2-3) for
your own personal use and your closest relatives
(like mum, dad, siblings,...).

3. Spreading the handbook as a PDF document
is also forbidden, unless you have the permission
of the copyright holder (in this case Infogrames).

And my final remark:

Do not support piracy, buy a legal version!

HOLY SH*T ITS ILLEGAL!? OMFG IM GOING TO GO BURN MY ISO AND BATHE MYSELF IN HOLY WATER OH CHRIST LORD FBI DONT ARREST ME PLEASE DONT I DIDNT KNOW.

and i guess all the copies i was gona give to my friends should be turned in to the proper authorities. sigh. what would i do without you, Rasbelin.

[Grumbold]

A pedant strikes

Illegal is a sick bird. I think you mean unlawful

[Provost Harrison]

Well I now have the game But mark my words, I intend to buy it when it is available!

[Provost Harrison]

A few tidbits to think about.

If you go to a showroom and take a car and don't pay for it, it is illegal.

If you go to a showroom with a replicator, see a car and clone it and drive it off, is that illegal?

Just an interesting thought for you...you'll see the relevence if you have a brain and see that it is not necessarily those with a pirated version (may I add, for the right reasons) who have dodgy morality.