Illegal is illegal, and not legal!

[Deathray]

Originally posted by Lee Johnson
And lest we forget,

GAMES ARE LUXURIES!

I mean, jeez, it's not like we're arguing moral dilemmas about having to steal bread to live! If people can't afford to buy games, tough! There are a lot of nice things I'd love to have but can't afford--that doesn't give me the right to go around and rip them off. There's a word for people who do that; in Canada, they're called "criminals".

All of these excuses are just feeble attempts by people to rationalise illegal behaviour.

Wow, that is among the worst attitudes I have ever seen. I do not buy/download pirated software myself, because I can afford not to and I like having a nice manual and stuff, but I have some points to make:

1) Nothing that anyone says on this thread will change the reality.
2) Many of the companies responsible for the distribution of this game are MONOPOLISING. Infogrames decision to release first in the US sucks. No, I am not a spoilt high-school kid who has to have it first (well, I am in the equivalent of high-school, but I am not going to take insults because of my age, so don't try it or you'll get a mouthful), the reason that the non-worldwide launch thing sucks is because of the attitude which Infogrames take, i.e. screw the rest of the world we can make more money by releasing it in the US first.
3) What we do is our choice, moaning and holier-than-thou attitudes are not going to do anything about it. The fact is that your morals are no better than mine, despite the fact that I have very few. This is because morals in general are worthless, limiting things that are hammered into us by society. THey are worthless due to a general lack of meaninglessness about the universe.

Ok, this one is what I wanted to use the quote for:

4) Lee Johnsen, you live in a wealthy country, so it is easy for you to earn enough money to buy games. Some people do not live in wealthy countries. There will be many people in the world far more intelligent, skillful and hardworking than yourself who get paid pittance. What you are saying is that basically anyone who doesn't live in a rich country can't play games. I doubt you will be saying this when the recession inevitably cuts the over inflated American economy back down to size and brings down the Canadian one with it.

[drake]

Ive got no clue earthling....a world wide single release date makes sense to me as well.

Things get rushed sometimes I guess.

Look at the game itself. No Mp. No scenarios. Some reported bugs already. What should have been done, is waiting until it was a complete game and then releasing it world wide on a single date. That way everyone is happy....

Un-fortunately, this idealistic thinking isnt realistic. Its money that makes the world go round. No need to look deeper into this situation than $$.

[Meisman]

i.e. screw the rest of the world we can make more money by releasing it in the US first.

That's what I don't understand. Why do they make more money by only selling it in the US?

[Rasbelin]

Originally posted by Infatuation
Well said. to the creator of the thread.

Thanks for your support!
You're one of the few who seems to understand me.

[Rasbelin]

Originally posted by ADG

I only got one thing to say to you: TAKE IT EASY...

I have been calm all the time.
I didn't rant at all. I just used a larger
font for making my final remark more visible.

According to the Internet rules, THIS WOULD BE RANTING.

[Adagio]

I just don't get it folks...When buying a game you actually buy the right to play the game (We can all agree to that, can't we?). But then how can people say we're not allowed to download the game now to play the game, when we all know we're going to pay for that license the day the game will be released in the rest of the world?

It doesn't make any sense at all, Firaxis (and whoever else is involved) gets the money ASAP and we (the rest of the world) gets happier ASAP, which means NOBODY looses

[Rasbelin]

Originally posted by CyberShy
You must really be an idiot if you start threads like this !

And you must be in grammar school, if you write
replies like this one.

What's next ?
A thread that tells us we shall not murder ?
YOU shallt not steal

Strong words, indeed. I'm not that hippocratic.
I was just making clear what's legal and what's illegal.
The final remark was just my personal opinion.
I think it's more fair to buy a legal copy, than
to buy one made by Petrosoft, that might support
the Russian mafia. How sweet!

And why can't I make a copy of the game for personal use ?

Have I said that? Not at all! Don't try anything like that.
I know more than well what I have said.

Go and tell your 2 year old brother that he shouldn't stay up late when pappa and mamma aren't home.

Sorry, I don't have siblings at all.

[Felch]

I see nothing wrong with piracy as long as you've paid for the game. I've piad my money to Amazon, and while I'm not pirating the game (I should get it in the mail tomorrow) I see nothing wrong with people pirating it, IF THEY'VE PAID FOR IT.

Remember that fair use laws allow people to make copies of products they own. They can be easily adapted to mean that you can get warez copies if you've paid the publisher for a copy that you have not yet received. It's rather childish of us to say, "No it's my toy, and you have to wait two weeks to play it." Piracy only becomes destructive when it reduces the profits of the developer.

And remember, a warez site is hardly going to benefit from people who download from them. All it means is a greater load on the server, and reduced bandwidth availability for less honest pirates. Thus I urge all loyal Civers to download from warez sites and eat up their resources.

[drake]

And remember, a warez site is hardly going to benefit from people who download from them. All it means is a greater load on the server, and reduced bandwidth availability for less honest pirates. Thus I urge all loyal Civers to download from warez sites and eat up their resources.

Just how do you think warez sites stay in business? Please enlighten us.

[August Borms]

Originally posted by Rasbelin

And you must be in grammar school, if you write
replies like this one.

Strong words, indeed. I'm not that hippocratic.

And maybe you should go to spelling school...

[Simpson II]

That's right, people!!! Because it's illegal it's BAD!!! BAD!!! You must follow the law, and the hell with a moral conscience of your own!

And while we're on the topic, I'd like to address all those laws that no-one pays enough attention to. I mean, have you seen the number of Welshmen in Manchester after midnight???? It's ILLEGAL!!! IMMORAL!!! These lawbreakers must be punished - next time anyone sees a taffy in Manchester at night, string him up from the nearest lamp post. That's what the law says, so it must be right!!! Those evil Welsh, bah! Do they think I'm impressed by them marching around as if the law were just some piffling human institution??


So, even if what you're doing hurt no-one, even if you're still going to pay your dues - FOLLOW THE LAW!!! WE WILL HAVE LAW AND ORDER HERE!!! SIEG HEIL!!!

[drake]

So, even if what you're doing hurt no-one

Tell the thousands of people that get laid off from software companies that software pirating isnt hurting anyone.

So many thick people around here. Sheesh.

[Ozymandous]

Originally posted by Meisman
If they're going where the money is, why not also go to Europe (or Australia, etc, don't wanna offend anyone)? That would be more money wouldn't it?

Well since these places are where the majority of the pirating is then I guess you know why they released in the US first...

Heh, Europe may have money but when they don't buy your game and would rather pirate it then I don't blame them for waiting to release it there.

[Sirotnikov]

I also am pretty angry at decisions that were made, that the responsability for lies in the hands of inforgrames - So I now have my doubts about buying this, or getting it at all - in the mean time.

I'm pretty sure FIRAXIS aren't happy too, but can't do much. I know that if I had a programming project of mine rushed (even though I'm not employed yet ) I'd be pissed off.

[Sirotnikov]

Whew, had to read the entire thread.

My 0.2 cents.


When some company tries to screw me, I have no problems screwing them back.

I've been very carefull with my warez policy and most good games I bought - Red Alert I, Diablo I, Commandos I. I don't intend to buy D2, or commandos 2. I'm *very* lucky that I managed to get a warezed copy of RA 2 which I delted 30 minutes later.

If you claim I robbed the developers of their money, screw it. I don't intend to give them my money for a product I don't like. If the way the developers intend to get the money is by cheating me out of it, making me buy a crappy game just to discover it's crappy - screw them.

All the comparison to cars and ****e is stupid. You get to test the whole car, not just a part or up to a certain speed, like a demo. You can change stuff in it. You get it for life.

Also: Cars are certain to work on the roads near your home, and will be compattible with your bumm, so you can sit in it. If cars crash due to bad design the company must pay me. I'm not expected to suffer it quietly.


I intend to buy Civ III, HOMM IV, try MOO3 and maybe buy it.

If the designers of Max Payne hadn't dispersed, I'd buy it too, but now I know that group of people wont' see a penny of my money, so I don't think I will.

Either way I don't have a warez copy of it.


But I must tell all the nice advocates, that prices don't change that much and infact often grow. 50$ games often cost 60-70$ in Israel. And In Israel, 50$ is more money than it is in America and takes more time and effort to get, so we have to pay even more for it is really annoying.

Many games can't be bought at all in Israel. Many games which I see on the internet, I never saw on the shelves in Israeli stores. So piracy did help me to broaden my knowledge and awareness.