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Hidden screens

I dont know if it was mentioned here before, but the admin of Civfanatics has found three hidden screens:

http://viewer.ign.com/media_page.jsp?width=800&height=600&media=http://pcmedia.ign.com/media/previews/image/aciv3019.jpg

http://viewer.ign.com/media_page.jsp?width=800&height=600&media=http://pcmedia.ign.com/media/previews/image/aciv3021.jpg

http://viewer.ign.com/media_page.jsp?width=800&height=600&media=http://pcmedia.ign.com/media/previews/image/aciv3024.jpg

The last of those three is pretty interresting i think: It is the prove that sea blocades are in
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Edit: ok just saw that somebody has posted it before, sorry

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Grumbold
Very interesting review. The screenshots give lots to think about, especially because the reviewer says he's played a lot of Civ in the past but is still well behind on the tech progression. He's playing badly but is still winning? Is he playing on chieftain or is the AI equally stupid?

Not necessarily. He might be a very warlike player, who focuses on not so much developing techs, but keeping others from doing it. If you refine this kind of strategy, you can conquer the world with relatively low-tech units in CivII, right up to Deity.

This is not entirely unrealistic, in fact there is a lot to say for this approach. You end up with a world where the Atomic bomb has never been invented.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by albiedamned
A dedicated builder like me will always fill up his cities with all the improvements and run out of stuff to build! So hopefully Wealth is available reasonably early.

I hope the same, but for very different reasons. (I am a dedicated non-builder. )

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Pggar
Have you seen the hidden screens fouded by Thunderfall from Civfanatics

Lyons

Evil French

Trade and Trade Routes

The last link says you can 'blockade a harbour', stopping its trade. Verrry interesting!

[Pseud0nym]

The following is about the quote in the review; 'Leaders can enter a city and complete any single improvement in a single turn.'

Originally posted by art_vandelai


I expect you'd lose that Great Leader then if you decide to rush a wonder. Decisions, decisions!!!

Man, I hope so, otherwise Great Leaders would be unbelievably broken. What? The iroquis are almost finished building the great library? I think not! Cool, just got mysticism; I think the oracle would look good in m city; there we go, instant oracle... They would also be incredibly powerfull if they could just rush other production w/o any penalty. Say found a new city, then produce a defensive unit and citywalls in two turns w/o using gold? Or crank out 5 nukes in 5 turns? I can't believe they would put in something that unbalancing.

[Ozymandous]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune


Not necessarily. He might be a very warlike player, who focuses on not so much developing techs, but keeping others from doing it. If you refine this kind of strategy, you can conquer the world with relatively low-tech units in CivII, right up to Deity.

This is not entirely unrealistic, in fact there is a lot to say for this approach. You end up with a world where the Atomic bomb has never been invented.

And usually no electricity, sanitation, flight or any of the other modern "marvels" that make life much more comfortable and advanced civilization past the "beat animals with a club and then roast them over a fire" phase.

Although beating a nice steak with a meat mallet to tenderize it and cooking it on a grill does have its good points..

[El hidalgo]

¢?? Originally posted by Pggar
Have you seen the hidden screens fouded by Thunderfall from Civfanatics

Lyons

Evil French

Trade and Trade Routes [/QUOTE]

Hmm, for sea trade (3rd screen) it says "you need a visible water route" between the two cities in order to trade. I wonder exactly what that means. Is Lisbon visible to Los Angeles on a standard earth map? Is Lisbon visible to Varna on the Black Sea? Is it visible to Rome? Lisbon is probably visible to New York, and no doubt it is invisible to Baku on the Caspian. How about to Lagos?

[El hidalgo]

Originally posted by Sikander


I guess the assumption is that you can pump water from far away, or perhaps from an aquafer (like a well).

I don't like the idea that everything is atop an aquifer... or that you can pump water from "far away" when you're sitting on an island with no rivers or freshwater lakes... desalinization plants, I could get into that.

[El hidalgo]

Originally posted by UKScud
I think that fresh water irrigation will make most people think twice about locating their capital city on a sea edge. Pros: Once you have a harbour your trade with other Civs is gonna be easier. Cons: City growth is going to be sluggish without irrigation, and since settler production ultimately depends upon whether you can afford those two pop. points, I think it will slow down your own civilization growth.

That's what will make locations such as those of London, Alexandria, New York, and Shanghai very valuable! I like it.

[Dan Magaha FIRAXIS]

Originally posted by El hidalgo
¢?? Originally posted by Pggar
Have you seen the hidden screens fouded by Thunderfall from Civfanatics

Lyons

Evil French

Trade and Trade Routes

Hmm, for sea trade (3rd screen) it says "you need a visible water route" between the two cities in order to trade. I wonder exactly what that means. Is Lisbon visible to Los Angeles on a standard earth map? Is Lisbon visible to Varna on the Black Sea? Is it visible to Rome? Lisbon is probably visible to New York, and no doubt it is invisible to Baku on the Caspian. How about to Lagos? [/QUOTE]

That would be "a viable water route", meaning a route that you can actually traverse, taking into account whether you can actually safely navigate sea and ocean tiles (which depends on your technologies and wonders).

Dan

[Ozymandous]

Originally posted by Pseud0nym
The following is about the quote in the review; 'Leaders can enter a city and complete any single improvement in a single turn.'



Man, I hope so, otherwise Great Leaders would be unbelievably broken. What? The iroquis are almost finished building the great library? I think not! Cool, just got mysticism; I think the oracle would look good in m city; there we go, instant oracle... They would also be incredibly powerfull if they could just rush other production w/o any penalty. Say found a new city, then produce a defensive unit and citywalls in two turns w/o using gold? Or crank out 5 nukes in 5 turns? I can't believe they would put in something that unbalancing.

Great Leaders are RARE so you shouldn't have to worry about people getting them that often. Of course the decision then becomes "do I want to spend X number of turns constructing this wonder or use one of my 2 great leaders to finish it in a turn?"

[El hidalgo]

Originally posted by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS


Hmm, for sea trade (3rd screen) it says "you need a visible water route" between the two cities in order to trade. I wonder exactly what that means. Is Lisbon visible to Los Angeles on a standard earth map? Is Lisbon visible to Varna on the Black Sea? Is it visible to Rome? Lisbon is probably visible to New York, and no doubt it is invisible to Baku on the Caspian. How about to Lagos?

That would be "a viable water route", meaning a route that you can actually traverse, taking into account whether you can actually safely navigate sea and ocean tiles (which depends on your technologies and wonders).

Dan [/QUOTE]

Ah, that's very different! OK, that makes sense, but it does say 'visible' in the screen shot! Thanks for clearing that up, Dan! Now hopefully that typo is cleared up as well...

[SerapisIV]

Originally posted by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS
That would be "a viable water route", meaning a route that you can actually traverse, taking into account whether you can actually safely navigate sea and ocean tiles (which depends on your technologies and wonders).

Dan

Does this mean that an enemy ship blocking an ocean strait or bay opening is not a possible blockade method? Do embargos have to be done diplomatically or can they be performed physically by units?

[randomturn]

anyone notice that the IGN preview lists the Persians as Militaristic, Scientific? The official Civ3 site lists them as Scientific and Industrious, but they put that up a while ago. I wonder if Firaxis changed them for play-balance reasons... I was already looking forward to playing as Scientific, Industrious. I can always custom-create a civ to play with, of course...

[Faboba]

Originally posted by Pggar Hmm, for sea trade (3rd screen) it says "you need a visible water route" between the two cities in order to trade. I wonder exactly what that means. Is Lisbon visible to Los Angeles on a standard earth map? Is Lisbon visible to Varna on the Black Sea? Is it visible to Rome? Lisbon is probably visible to New York, and no doubt it is invisible to Baku on the Caspian. How about to Lagos?

Visible just means it that you have seen the water route. IE if you walked by land to India but never went by sea uoi'd never trace a route around South Africa cause you wouldn't have seen, you need to see all the coast line to send it around the continent.

As for needing Map Making, Navigation or Magnetism we must assume there are three depths of sea, with Magnetism required to bridge the vast oceans such as the Pacific or Altantic, Map Making to trace around coastlines and Navigation for distances like The East Indies to Australia or thereabouts. You get what I mean.