Has the pessimism on this board gotten out of hand?

[fluxcapacitor]

1) Yes - the naysayers are finding the most trivial, nitpicking, and irrelevant of aspects to ***** about.

2) No - No way. Firaxis are money hungry bastards not shipping w/ MP, which has made me look for things to ***** about.

[yin26]

Hey, you are from Orange? Where? I'm originally from Orange, City of Orange. Over where Chapman Ave. starts to run up the hills toward Irvine.

To answer your question: Firaxis could have avoided 90% of the *****ing with decent PR.

[fluxcapacitor]

I'll be damned, small world, huh Yin? I live real close to Villa Park High, behind K-Mart at Taft & Tustin but past the 55 (i.e. not in the slumville that is those apartments behind K-mart).

Agreed about the PR. But my point is that some of the complaint threads are like the equilivalent of those drug commercials that have become in vogue the last few years. You know where they tell you how good their drug is for whatever problem, and then proceed to list the most God-awful side effects one could imagine? The level of the complaints here just never ceases to amaze...

[yin26]

LOL! I lived next to El Modena High School, just about 10 minutes from you.

Well, since most people have me targetted as the King Whiner, it might surprise you to know that I agree the Doomsday stuff sometimes gets out of hand. My general beef has never really been with the contents of the game but how and when have learned about those contents.

I don't think Firaxis tries to cheat people...I just think they fall asleep at the PR switch far too often.

[Rakki]

open mouth <- insert foot
closed moth <- apply boot

either way, they lose.

[cassembler]

Firaxis could have avoided 90% of the *****ing with decent PR.

I don't usually agree with ya Yin, but this is an EXTREMELY good point. Even though I could care less about MP, and could care even less about the complaints about the lack of MP, I do think that Firaxis could have been a wee bit more upfront.

But hey, I'm happy that there even IS a Civ3. We'll see how ya feel in 6 months or so- maybe the MP will be so freakin' good you'll goo your pants.


peace, love, soap.

[Stuie]

Some people are only happy when they have something to piss on.

[yin26]

We'll see how ya feel in 6 months or so- maybe the MP will be so freakin' good you'll goo your pants.

LOL! I hope so!

[Jaybe]

Has the pessimism on this board gotten out of hand? ABSOLUTELY.

It seems every time anyone notices any little thing that is either:
1. Different from a Civ2 feature they liked, or
2. The same as a Civ2 feature they did NOT like

... they rant and complain at how terrible it is.
Regardless of the fact that Civ3 is going to be so different that all their Civ2 experiences will be irrelevant.
Are they just spamming because there seems to be nothing to talk about until after the game arrives in their hot little hands?
Even Yin continually bombs the game and Firaxis, but does not make it clear in those posts (or threads) that he is only criticizing their PR efforts. Not every company can afford the expense of good PR damage control, especially on the net where there is communication from the whole spectrum of opinions. They are only doing the best they can, and when we get 'nasty', I do not believe it improves their efforts on whatever they are trying to accomplish (maybe it's MP at this point).

Sorry, but I must have read too many threads I should have ignored because of all the whiners. Now I have done my part to bring myself down to their level.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Oh yeah, it is out of hand. From reading these posts, you'd assume Firaxis had make CtP2 .

[Trifna]

big detail

"beefs against Firaxis"... I'd say more that many proposition are made. We directly see which side you're taking in the poll. I guess a nice part of complaints aren't very useful or anything, but there are still that propose stuff that may be right, even if it's about tiny details. We call perfectionist the guy who'll correct even details.

[fluxcapacitor]

bump

[Sabre2th]

It's obvious that the pessimism is out of hand, does that really need a bump?

[Pembleton]

Originally posted by yin26
To answer your question: Firaxis could have avoided 90% of the *****ing with decent PR.

Doubt it. If they're planning on releasing MP in an expansion, all the PR in the world wouldn't save this board from a huge whinefest. In fact, it would be worse.

By not letting us know for sure, they can at least have some people saying, hey, let's not get out of hand because we just don't know!

[H Tower]

So all of you are going to be blind optomists and Think the game is going to be everything you wanted? Is it too much to ask for Multiplayer? Most games that are meant to have multiplayer, are released with it. The multiplayer add on has become obsolete. Firaxis wants to sell hundreds of thousands of copies? then why don't they include what is now considered an integral part of every game released? Can anyone else remember those terrible screen shots of the roads over the mountains? At the time, I preferred civ2 graphics to civ3. And civ2 is old Firaxis has brought these problems down on themselves, I'd say the *****ing is justified