Has the pessimism on this board gotten out of hand?

[Shiva]

Originally posted by yin26
True...and name brands sometimes go bankrupt because the people calling the shots get overconfident and forget that a few big mistakes can ruin any God almost overnight. Ask any economics teacher.

Thing is we havnt seen anything showing overconfidence. The information for the most part that they have put out has been pretty much the MO of software companies that have been around a few years. They're still stubbing thier toes here and there with information. They'll learn to do it better in time or they might stop giving information (other than to gaming mags and reviewers). If they stop they wouldnt be the first.


As for it building on our trust? We'll know in a few weeks. Got all the time in the world to hammer them after the cards are all on the table.

Firaxis might still have to prove itself, but Sid already has and you cant seprate the two.

[Imran Siddiqui]

*yawn*

Hey, Pied Piper, why don't you take you lemmings and lead them off a nearby cliff?

I'm not some newbie, I know your 'tricks'. And frankly I don't care about your 'claimed affront by a personal attack'. I've been around you too long to really care about what you say to me. And this time you are serious! HA! You'll say anything to try to 'prove' your point.

I did notice that you didn't respond to the fact that most people (in there opinions) think Sid and Firaxis should get benefit of the doubt.

Btw, was that last post by you 'in your own opinion'? I couldn't tell?

[yin26]

My 'tricks'? Wow something wrong there, Imran. We were having a nice discussion (I thought) and you started getting personal. ANYBODY here would back me up on that.

Next: There are times to say "In my opinion" and times not. When you are saying a man NEVER made a bad game, that's AWFULLY opinionated...and you do no service to yourself to maintain that line when other posters and even the creator of the game himself thinks otherwise.

And if you want answers to some of your queries, try not spoiling the conversation with personal attacks. Possible?

[Imran Siddiqui]

It is too late for that, Yin. WAAAY too late.

You've already said that you aren't buying Civ3, and MIGHT get it at a later point. So why are you still here? The only logical conclusion is that you are trying to stir up trouble. You don't like how Firaxis has handled you (and yes it is about you), so you want to spawn merry Hell.

In that way, I find your actions despicable. Nothing constructive, just destructive.

So, yes, I do see you as a spoiled brat, leading whining children. Sorry if you don't like my analogy.

So then... Why ARE you here? And don't give that BS about you giving a lot of time. Jason Beaudoin gave a ****load of time to SMAC, and then he was disappointed by the demo, he didn't spawn merry Hell. No, he just simply dissapeared. Maybe take a lesson?

[yin26]

Who are you: My Mother! Oh, Lord, Imran...and people think I take myself too seriously. Have a beer, Mate. Kiss your girlfried. Look out the window.

The only logical conclusion is that you are trying to stir up trouble.

Yes, according to 'Imra-logic' you have nailed it. Good Lord.

Some other options:

** My complaint to begin with was well-founded and clearly stated. You simply didn't like it so resort to name calling.

** I didn't invest lots of personal time along with many others simply to walk away without playing the game first.

** So I'll play the game when *I* feel it's complete. Which, for *me*, means at least when MP is included.

** Until then, I'll be here posting my opinions and no doubt be attacked by you in your stalker-like fashion.

Those are just a few, but they find no place in 'Imra-logic'

[Mister Pleasant]

Your own argument about there being no difference between Civ2 and CTP bares it out because the sales clearly show that there is something there. Either your wrong and there is a big enough difference for John Q Public to want to buy Civ alot more than CTP or the Civ Name (and Sids) makes them want to buy Civ more than CTP

Civ2 was the better game, I just don't think it had to do with some qualia-like nonsense about a "certain feel".

Firaxis might still have to prove itself, but Sid already has and you cant seprate the two.

Sid has proven himself. That's why I'll buy civ3 when it comes out (and won't buy an Activision product the day it comes out). BUT you are only as good as your last game. If civ3 is a dog, I'll wait next time Sid has his name attached (or if the word 'golf' is in the title). Also, Pirates sucked. Gettysburg was mediocre, and Sim Golf is going to be a dog (Anything about golf sucks, IMHO).

PS: Another thing of note is Godfather3 was a boxoffice success. Why? Because of the name, the stars, the director.

Yes, it was at the time owing to being part of the Godfather series. But if I was buying the Godfather movies on DVD separately, part 3 would definitely be on the "maybe pick it up later at some point no hurry whatsoever" list.

[Imran Siddiqui]

And if they charge for MP, will you still have to *try* the game because you 'worked so hard on it' (boohoo)?

As you said in a previous thread Firaxis not even saying that MP would be free makes you sick. How would you feel if they charged for it?

But you'd still buy it?! PLEASE! Give us all a break!

YOU make me sick! Destructive criticism is your calling card. I remember you on the OWO boards remember, basically calling for Firaxis' heads, and then trying to back away from purposely inflammatory statements.

You made me sick back then, and you make me sick now. A Pied Piper set on destructive criticism, while hiding under the veneer of being constructive. The myth has cracks already, now to attempt to bring it down.

[yin26]

If you really believe what you are typing, you honestly have some personal problems that I won't interfere with. If you are just trolling, then you are a Master.

Well, for somebody who calls for constructive comments all the time, I find your blatant name-calling and digging up things all the way back to 3 years ago to be pathetically ironic.

How sad you think of the world in those terms.

Well, folks, please ignore this little episode. I do wonder, however, if Imran plans to high-jack every thread I post in because he still feels upset about things 3 years ago?

For the benefit of other posters to this thread, I will now ignore anything else Imran has to say here unless it is constructive.

[Imran Siddiqui]

BUT you are only as good as your last game. If civ3 is a dog, I'll wait next time Sid has his name attached (or if the word 'golf' is in the title). Also, Pirates sucked. Gettysburg was mediocre, and Sim Golf is going to be a dog (Anything about golf sucks, IMHO).

SMAC was Firaxis' latest game, and it was a great game (IMO, and in the opinion of many others), widely ranked highly (even in second opinions a year afterwards).

Pirates? Ask some people about that . There is a large group of people that'd give their right eye for Pirates 2, and would prefer that to Civ3.

Gettysburg was an AMAZING game (as was Antietam). Ranked high by just abou everyone. One of the best wargames of all time.

And I am of the opinion that SidGolf will be a decent game (not as addictive as Civ, but good nonetheless).

[Imran Siddiqui]

Whoa Yin is now ignoring... trying to seem like he's securing the high ground (where have I seen that before ) - also notice the thinly disguised personal attacks while saying I was pathetic for them (I don't mind personal attacks while warrented but doing them while saying they are wrong... hypocrite anyone?).

Constructive? Since the 'List', Yin has been anything but. Certainly not anytime soon.

As constructive as Attila the Hun was, right? Or maybe Genghis Khan?

[Mister Pleasant]

SMAC was Firaxis' latest game, and it was a great game (IMO, and in the opinion of many others), widely ranked highly (even in second opinions a year afterwards).

I still play, but had to mod it in order to stop AI ICS with worthless sea cities.

Pirates? Ask some people about that . There is a large group of people that'd give their right eye for Pirates 2, and would prefer that to Civ3.

And those people are wrong.

Gettysburg was an AMAZING game (as was Antietam). Ranked high by just abou everyone. One of the best wargames of all time.

I disagree.

And I am of the opinion that SidGolf will be a decent game (not as addictive as Civ, but good nonetheless).

Might just be my personal feelings about golf here. BUt George Carlin said it much better . . .

[Shiva]

Originally posted by Mister Pleasant
Civ2 was the better game, I just don't think it had to do with some qualia-like nonsense about a "certain feel".

Then you agree using it in an argument having to do with anything about Civ3 is baseless since Civ2 was far better.

Originally posted by Mister Pleasant
Also, Pirates sucked.

Bahhh the hell you say. You may think that but take a look at the top 100 game lists. You'll almost always find it. You'll also find its one of the most sought after games out there at the freeware sites, not to mention Pirates for windows CD's being sold on Ebay.

[Jeje2]

Imran: I'm glad that you have faith in Sid. He sure has done some great pionering work on different games.

It's just the fact that Sid haven't done sequels and I have a gutfeeling he isn't now either. Sid is golfing if you haven't notised.

So yes I'm somewhat pessimistic about Civ3 - Hell I've been waiting for 2½+ years and when Civ3 finally goes gold I'm nore entusiastic about the upcoming Europa Universalis 2 than of Civ3.

And I do agree that 90% could have been avoidable with good PR.
(I don't play MP - but releasing a game today whithout MP?? SMAC had MP, so they have expirience in the area.)

IMHO Civ3 shouldn't be released now - FIRAXIS should really do their beta good and release in the spring a good finished Civ3, with MP.

[Imran Siddiqui]

MPleasant,

You may disagree, but the majority of people do not! People like Pirates and Gettysburg and it is always ranked highly! In your opinion, perhaps Sid needs to prove himself. HOWEVER, based on majority opinion, Sid doesn't need to prove anything.

[Shiva]

Originally posted by Mister Pleasant
And those people are wrong.

Because you dont like the game?