Mike Breitkreutz, now you're here, can you please say something about MP ?

[belinda9]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Roland Ehnström
Wiglaf:


And believe me: I AM concerned about Civ3 being released as a "solid game", but lashing at the Firaxis people because they can't tell you anything about MP at this time isn't going to make it more of a "solid game", is it? You'll just have to wait and see!


No, that's not how I see it.
They're taking preorders for this game: I think this puts them under some obligation to tell me ONCE AND FOR ALL if the game I'm preordering is going to have a MP feature that has been previously alluded to, or if they're not going to have it. Otherwise, it's a bait-and-switch, which is not what I call good business ethics.

Come on, it's not rocket science! If the extra-busy programmer can take 3 minutes to respond that he can't tell us anything cause it's not his job, how come some PR person (who's job it IS) can't just come out, put the best spin on it he can (which is what he supposedly is PAID to do) and tell it up front -- if I send them money to preorder this game is it or is it not going to have a MP (heck, or even a HotSeat) feature?

We've asked through the PR channels. We've searched their website. We've *****ed and moaned all over everywhere: why can't they just tell it straight upfront?

That's why they ain't getting my money. I don't even care anymore whether it's SP, MP or BFD.....I don't do business with people who exhibit such shifty business ethics. It might be different if they weren't actually selling the game already (which is what preorders basically are) but this close to release date, and basically they want me to buy a pig in a poke? no way. screw it. There are plenty of other games to play where I know what I'm buying when I buy it. So they've disgusted at least one consumer

Way to go! Give those PR people a raise! pppppbbbtt

[Stromprophet]

Quit complaining, buy it, enjoy it. And if MP is not in yet, then it's not. If it's added later so be it.

It's my belief they are making some serious changes to mplayer in the turnbased genre. Which, they want to make sure they are doing it right. Which is what I want.

I would buy it without MP regardless. All of us who bought Civ II didn't care that it wasn't mplayer at the time.

To say the least, the game looks awesome. And it's what we, the fans, asked for. I'm banking that they are not going to have a gold edition game with the mplayer feature. My money is on free download or cheap expansion pack.

[Wittlich]

Never?

Originally posted by Swissy
Civ3 will be released without MP. I searched the Infogrames site and looked at their other PC games. Any with MP have Internet access/Local Network listed under system requirements. I never recall seeing that as a Civ3 system requirement, NEVER .

Never say never ... Swissy, go to Bestbuy.com and check out the system requirements for Civ3. They still have it listed as MP compatible. Just some food for thought.

[Sarxis]

Ok Apolyton people, I have a shocking, disturbing, and outright surreal revelation to make.... brace yourselves, because I know you won't believe this...ready?


Most CIVers only play Single Player!!

OMG!! OMG!!! OMG!Explative!Fainting!Sighing!Swoons!!Memory loss!!Late bill payments!! AIIIEEEE!!

I was actually surprised by this, but I knew it to be true after I had talked to some people at my local game retailer. I also learned this from other sources, and was absolutely amazed by this.

So I guess we are a minority.

[I think that most of you already knew this though]

[Wiglaf]

Originally posted by Roland Ehnström
Wiglaf:
"If you're on our level, and think and post like us"

Way to treat a newbe, eh?

Then the fact that I am not a newbe at all (I registered to this forum in 1999 - I just try to keep quiet and read your posts of divine excellence instead of making a fool out of myself as others do - and have been playing Civ since 1991) makes it all just more funny... For me, it feels that some of you are just very immature - even if you are a "Prince"...

Or is it just that I happen to use my real name and not some weird nick, that makes you think that I am not at your "level"? Or the fact that I don't have a cool avantar next to my name?

And believe me: I AM concerned about Civ3 being released as a "solid game", but lashing at the Firaxis people because they can't tell you anything about MP at this time isn't going to make it more of a "solid game", is it? You'll just have to wait and see!

Also, I am pretty sure that the deadline is set up by Infogrames, and not by Firaxis themselves. If Firaxis got to choose, I bet they'd wait to give a release date until they know that they indeed have a "solid game" ready. Inforgrames may be more interested in getting a release before x-mas however, which is why they have given Firaxis this deadline. So if you need to yell at someone, I guess you should yell at Infogrames. Of course, the Infogrames people don't read this forum, so perhaps you shouldn't yell at all after all...

Enough of

Peace!
-- Roland

I was referring to Firaxis and Mike, who try to be on the level with us, and think and post like we do, in order to win over our undivided support. I don't treat new people like that, and like you said, you aren't even new, so there you go.

sorry if you took it the wrong way

[Roland Ehnström]

Ah, that makes a lot more sence Wiglaf!

I'm very sorry for misinterpretting you... Sorry!

I blame the English language - the double meaning of the word "you" have caused misunderstandings more than once...

I wrote:
"I just try to keep quiet ... instead of making a fool out of myself"

Maybe I should keep on doing that some more, don't you think?!

Peace!
-- Roland

[faded glory]

Originally posted by Anunikoba
Ok Apolyton people, I have a shocking, disturbing, and outright surreal revelation to make.... brace yourselves, because I know you won't believe this...ready?


Most CIVers only play Single Player!!

OMG!! OMG!!! OMG!Explative!Fainting!Sighing!Swoons!!Memory loss!!Late bill payments!! AIIIEEEE!!

I was actually surprised by this, but I knew it to be true after I had talked to some people at my local game retailer. I also learned this from other sources, and was absolutely amazed by this.

So I guess we are a minority.

[I think that most of you already knew this though]

AI's= Weak walkover pointless games . AI probably wont know how to use diplomacy, and will probably irrigate there whole continent like in Civ2. All weak preplanned BS. Also I disagree, mplayer is getting bigger each day.

Human opponents= real challenges. Cant beat someone who lies and decieves like you. A game is not a game without MP.

Example is CTP. Im in PBEM, but I would have quit the game yonks ago had it not been for me stumpling upon the CTP- multiplaying section.

[Wiglaf]

faded glory:

I think you exaggerate the problem. MP will apparantly be added in later, maybe even as a free download. It's not a big deal either way, so don't get all upset about it. I really believe that civ3's AI will be subpar mainly because of SMAC and all the new features that seem to have been tossed in at random, with no concern for the overall play experiance. These are all opinions, so this big mp vs sp war isn't making much sense. it's a game - expect the worse and it only gets better.

roland:

don't worry about it

[Stromprophet]

Originally posted by faded glory


AI's= Weak walkover pointless games . AI probably wont know how to use diplomacy, and will probably irrigate there whole continent like in Civ2. All weak preplanned BS. Also I disagree, mplayer is getting bigger each day.

Human opponents= real challenges. Cant beat someone who lies and decieves like you. A game is not a game without MP.

Example is CTP. Im in PBEM, but I would have quit the game yonks ago had it not been for me stumpling upon the CTP- multiplaying section.

You're wrong. You're so wrong it's hilarious. You are in essence saying a game is not a game without graphics, a game is not a game without this, a game is not a game without this.

Multiplayer is not an end in itself. Just like special affects are not an end in themselves.
"A special affect without a story is a pretty boring thing."

The same is true of Mplayer. If the game sucks, it sucks, mplayer isn't going to change that.

I think you will be surprised about the AI. They are doing some very neat things with matrice complexes, and AI design. As is true of many of the new mplayer games. Except the Civ III team is at the cutting edge.

Mplayer is huge. But worth any wait to get the mplayer right.

Yes, I can beat someone who lies, cheats, and decieves you. Do it all the time actually.

And if anyone noticed in the Making of Civ III video. It was mentioned that the AI will trick, and raw deal you. Because of their character reactions you may think one thing about the leader but they are thinking something completely different.

[Stromprophet]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
faded glory:

I think you exaggerate the problem. MP will apparantly be added in later, maybe even as a free download. It's not a big deal either way, so don't get all upset about it. I really believe that civ3's AI will be subpar mainly because of SMAC and all the new features that seem to have been tossed in at random, with no concern for the overall play experiance. These are all opinions, so this big mp vs sp war isn't making much sense. it's a game - expect the worse and it only gets better.

roland:

don't worry about it

Have you seen the making of civ video. I would disagree. This game is going to be immersive. It's not just at random, or done just for the sake of doing it.

[faded glory]

Strom?

Will you be able to talk to the AI players..if so, will they respond in the same manner in which you spoke to them? Plan a global campaign of War with world leaders with ambitions liek you or just settle a border dispute? Gather the leaders of all nations of the world in one chatroom to discuss a PBEM or MP disputes? Will you be able to make demands like no-fly zones and demiliterized zones? Can you conspire? Can you be decietful?Can you role play and be creative, i love doing that? Can you send expeditionary forces to help a friend in need and have that friend actually work with the forces and not block there path? Can you devolop free trade zone's that actually mean somthing? Can you rally belligerent leaders around a global cause? Can you Condemn a leader, yet not declare war on them? Can you arrange agreements like restrictions were to place what? Can you threaten them with the harsh language? Can you make the AI be like the real world leaders, you know with diplomacy and all? Can you convince all the AI players to join you in a crusade against a Meglomanical mass murderer? Can you make unnofficial treatys declaring you only build so many ships or tanks? Can you form a treaty with all your AI leader friends declaring "any nation which builds another factory will be nuked"

The AI is too friggin boring and predicitable. I think the people from Call to Power PBEM would back me up on every point I have made on this thread

I think my point here has been made

[Stromprophet]

Quit mentioning CTP as if it actually had some credibility. That game is a software whore.

I know all about Mp. Ok. Dear god.

Yes, Mp can do all this and that. But it has to be done right, for god's sake have some patience and put your pants on.

Mp still does not make any game. OK. Gameplay has and always will make the games. You can have awesome graphics and the game will still suck sometime. Look at WWIIonline, completely online game that is a piece of crap.

[faded glory]

Lots of people are buying games because of MP. Lots more than you think Try Gamespy and Zone...Then Kali and Mplayer.com

[faded glory]

Look strom i dont mean to piss anybody off. Im just stating the obvoius here... Mplayer is the future of computer gaming. It would be very foolish to deny it. And very foolish for Firaxis to exclude it.

Please reply to my Private message! Again I apoligze if I come off sounding harsh

[Stromprophet]

Originally posted by faded glory
Lots of people are buying games because of MP. Lots more than you think Try Gamespy and Zone...Then Kali and Mplayer.com

I know a lot of people are. But a lot of MP games promise way more than they deliver and end up being a crap experience.

I still like a lot of SP action. I can start and finish when I like, I don't have to play at 5 am if I want to play someone in Europe, and I can do other things besides wait.