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**Rasputin** · August 21, 2001, 21:40

Europe - Where is it ??

alway sperplexed me why Europe is regarded as a seprarate continent whilts connected directly to Asia. Obviously it was done by Westerners who didnt want to be included under the banner of Asians... Reaaly Europe is Asia. Amountain range (Urals) shouldnt be a continent divider . But then I guess before the suez canal was built some people might argue that Africa was the n connected to Asia and it too should be a separate continent!! Or how bout North and South America... But at least they now have Canals, perhpas we should get them to build a canal along the border of Europe so we can know exactly where the border of Asia/Europe is

**joseph1944** · August 22, 2001, 01:15

Re: Europe - Where is it ??

Originally posted by Rasputin
alway sperplexed me why Europe is regarded as a seprarate continent whilts connected directly to Asia. Obviously it was done by Westerners who didnt want to be included under the banner of Asians...

You got it. In the real old day when you said Asian you were talking about Korea, China, Japan Etc. and not India

Reaaly Europe is Asia. Amountain range (Urals) shouldnt be a continent divider.

I would think all countries east of the Urals would be in Asia, but this book I have said all of Stan countries are in Europe.

But then I guess before the suez canal was built some people might argue that Africa was the n connected to Asia and it too should be a separate continent!!

They still had the Nile River before the Canal

Or how bout North and South America... But at least they now have Canals, perhpas we should get them to build a canal along the border of Europe so we can know exactly where the border of Asia/Europe is

Sound like a good idea, good luck.

**star mouse** · August 22, 2001, 02:06

Re: Re: Europe - Where is it ??

Originally posted by joseph1944
They still had the Nile River before the Canal

The Nile river didn't connect the seas. Only in CIV can rivers run from one ocean to another.

**CIA_Operative** · August 22, 2001, 02:10

Well if you are using a book that says that the all the Stan countries are in Europe than why not Turkey??

Turkey is closer to the rest of Europe, the Stans touch CHINA!!! Which is way eastern Asia.

How can you deny that Turkey isn't in Europe when
THEY ARE APPLYING FOR MEMBERSHIP TO THE EU!!!

Most people regard Turkey as part of Europe though the lifestyle is different that shouldn't make a difference.

So as far as I am concerned if your book says that the Stans are in Europe than Turkey is too.

**joseph1944** · August 22, 2001, 18:01

Originally posted by CIA_Operative
Well if you are using a book that says that the all the Stan countries are in Europe than why not Turkey??

Turkey is closer to the rest of Europe, the Stans touch CHINA!!! Which is way eastern Asia.

How can you deny that Turkey isn't in Europe when
THEY ARE APPLYING FOR MEMBERSHIP TO THE EU!!!

Most people regard Turkey as part of Europe though the lifestyle is different that shouldn't make a difference.

So as far as I am concerned if your book says that the Stans are in Europe than Turkey is too.

Turkey is also in NATO, that however does not change were they are located on planet Earth. On planet Earth they are located in Asia, If you cannot understand I don't know what else to tell you. Go talk to your Geography teacher maybe he/she can tell you. Turkey is south of the Black Sea. On the north-east coast they border Georgia and Armenia. East border is Iran, south-east is Iraq, south is Syria, North-west is Bulgaria and Greece.
The Sea of Marmara is the divide between Europe and Asia as is the Black Sea plus the Turkey and Iran north border in the divide between Asia and Europe. Only Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajtkistan has a common border with China.

**CIA_Operative** · August 22, 2001, 18:24

Do you know what the EU stands for????

You have to be apart of Europe to even apply to the EU so how can you negate the fact that Turkey wants to join the EU and say that they are not part of Europe.

The Stans are way farther from Europe than Turkey is so if you're saying that just because Turkey touches Southwest Asia it isn't part of Europe so does that mean that just because Panama touches Columbia it isn't in North America? At least Turkey has a little part in Europe and yes they ARE IN EUROPE!!!!

THEY ARE APPLYING TO THE FRICKEN EU!!!!!!!

**Andreiguy** · August 22, 2001, 19:14

Right, I apology. I haven't taken into acount Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaidjan, Kazakhstan (a small part stands before Oural) etc. But I still can't count more than 44 countries in Europe, 45 with Russia.

First of all, it's Ural, not Oural. Second of all, this is what REALLY gets me mad. 45 with Russia. Why are you excluding Russia? I'm Russian, and I have noticed the 174091375th thing Americans do that Europeans don't that makes me mad. They forget that Russia has been, is, and always will be a part of Europe. It's not all in Europe, but 80% of its population is squeezed in the 1/4 of country that is in Europe. RUSSIA IS A EUROPEAN COUNTRY. Thank you.

**joseph1944** · August 22, 2001, 19:23

Originally posted by CIA_Operative
Do you know what the EU stands for????

You have to be apart of Europe to even apply to the EU so how can you negate the fact that Turkey wants to join the EU and say that they are not part of Europe.

The Stans are way farther from Europe than Turkey is so if you're saying that just because Turkey touches Southwest Asia it isn't part of Europe so does that mean that just because Panama touches Columbia it isn't in North America? At least Turkey has a little part in Europe and yes they ARE IN EUROPE!!!!

THEY ARE APPLYING TO THE FRICKEN EU!!!!!!!

I will lay you odd that if Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the US told them they wanted to part of the Union, they would change their rules in flat second. Being a member of something does not change where they are located. A very small piece of Turkey laid in Europe, so the Union said OK let's let them in. It no bid deal.
The author of my Atlas is William R. Mead Professor Emeritus of Geography, University College London, England. Why don't you write him and tell him he made a big mistake about Turkey location. Our disscussion on this matter is close.

**Colon™** · August 22, 2001, 19:55

FYI there isn't any bit of EU legislation or any treaty that states that EU members have to be geographically situated in Europe.

**joseph1944** · August 22, 2001, 20:18

Originally posted by Colon
FYI there isn't any bit of EU legislation or any treaty that states that EU members have to be geographically situated in Europe.

Thank you. My knowledge of the EU is zero, except that it is economic trade union as the Canada, US, and Mexico free trade zone is.

**star mouse** · August 22, 2001, 20:33

I prefer to think of the continent as the Eurasian continent. Dividing it into "Europe" and "Asia" is arbitary anyway, and as we have seen is prone to argument

based on different definitions of "Europe".

**Colon™** · August 22, 2001, 21:11

Joseph, no problem.

The EU and NAFTA aren’t comparable however, NAFTA is a free trade zone as many others (zero tariffs, no import quotas etc) but the EU goes much farther than that.
Besides having free movement of goods and services (as the goal of NAFTA is) it also has free movement of capital and labour and a customs union. Next to that the EU has institutions (parliament, court of justice) and legislation superior to that of the national level, and that impact areas beyond the narrow economic ones.

Star mouse, you're right, Eurasia is better considered as one continent.

**joseph1944** · August 22, 2001, 22:12

Originally posted by Colon
Joseph, no problem.

The EU and NAFTA aren't comparable however, NAFTA is a free trade zone as many others (zero tariffs, no import quotas etc) but the EU goes much farther than that.
Besides having free movement of goods and services (as the goal of NAFTA is) it also has free movement of capital and labour and a customs union. Next to that the EU has institutions (parliament, court of justice) and legislation superior to that of the national level, and that impact areas beyond the narrow economic ones.

If you will a second/mini UN? Only this has some teethe

**CIA_Operative** · August 22, 2001, 22:17

I have done some more research and from what I can come up with is this,

The World Book Encyclopedia 1988 Edition (because that's all my family can afford) Lists Turkey as part of Europe, and from what else I can gather I believe that Turkey is in the same situation as Russia, and Egypt that it is in two different continents. Russia being in Asia and Europe and Egypt being in Africa and Asia, Turkey is too in Europe and in Asia so I guess our argument has been settled we are both winners.

**CIA_Operative** · August 22, 2001, 22:26

I also have brought this as more proof:

Turkey is officially, politically and geographically considered part of both the European continent and Asian continent. The portion of Turkey west of the Bosporus (colored a darker gray) and bordering Bulgaria is geographically a part of Europe, while the lighter portion of the country (the largest part) is part of Asia.

Here's the site I found it on: http://www.graphicmaps.com/webimage/...pe/europea.htm

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