Scenario Plans For Civ III?

[Alexander I]

Another idea is an ancient empires scenario dating around perhaps 400 BC.

Persia (Persians?) is the dominant power and a strong military but somewhat limited resources.

Rome (Romans) is a relatively small civilization with lots of iron and room to grow.

Carthage (?) is a civilization with lots of space between its cities. It perhaps wants to grab resources that are near Rome to spark a Rome/Carthage conflict.

Greece (Greeks) have a good amount of resources and are just about to spark the Persian powderkeg.

Egypt (Egyptians) have lots of resources but a weak military (what's their unique unit, Jeff?) leaving it open to invasion by Persia, Greece, Rome, and anyone else interested for the resources. It has strong culture though, so the people may stay Egyptian through all the conquests.

There are 3 other civ slots to be filled. Any ideas anyone? Babylon would be an interesting addition but we aren't sure if they're even in the game. (The same is true of Persia.)

Jeff, do you know if these two are in? Any ideas as to how to spruce up this idea?

[Timeline]

Wow, I can't believe this got pushed back all the way to the second page

At least that means this is a busy forum

[Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS]

Both Persia and Babylonians are in.

Jeff

[Footie Mad]

And those few words end a very long discussion, the power of FIRAXIS in action

[jsw363]

Modern World

Timeline-

So for our modern world scenario would include:
1. EU
2. US
3. Russian Federation
4. China
5. APEC
6. Arab League
7. India
8. Developing Nations

I was just wondering what to do with the former Soviet sattelites which still aren't part of the EU. Guess they could go to either Russia or EU. Any opinions?

Iran should definitely be in the Arab League though it's not a member because of its leadership role in the Muslim world.

The "barbarians" would include: Cuba, Iraq, North Korea, Yugoslavia definitely.

Other possibles would include Pakistan and Afghanistan (the more I think about it, the more I like having a little barbarian center in South Asia. They would be at the intersection of Russia, Arabs, Chinese and Indians. Should make for interesting gameplay), Colombia, Congo (both war zones). I think that these last two are best left with their respective civs. The barbarians are just supposed to create a little uncertainty. (Latin America and Africa have enough problems as it is) Are there any countries that I'm forgetting?

Thanks- I'm finally not a settler All because of this thread...

[jsw363]

Ancient World

Alexander-

Ancient Mediterranean Scenarios are always popular.

You listed the following as possibilities

Persia
Rome
Carthage
Greece
Egypt

I was wondering what kind of timeframe you were thinking of since the structure of the game would really depend on this as well as the civs included.

I was thinking at least tentatively that you could include the Gauls as a civ and have them in Hispania and north of the Italian peninsula. Again totally depends what year we're talking.

[jsw363]

World War II

Alexander-

I was thinking that the best time to start was right after Munich, but then you might want to avoid pre-emtive entry by the US and the other Allies, so maybe later is better.

Scenario Civ/Civ used/color/UU/Gov't/Leader

Germany (Germans) - dark blue - Panzer - Nationalism/Hitler
USA (Americans) - light blue - F-15? - Democracy/FDR
Britain (English) - ? - Man-of-War (obsolete) Make a new one? - Republic or Democracy/Churchill
USSR (Russians) - grey - MiG? - Communism/Stalin
France (French) - pink - Musketeer (obsolete) new? - Republic?/Petain?
Neutrals? Is it a good idea to have a Neutral civ?
Poland? Spain? Turkey? Finland?

Need to include Italy in the scenario as the Germans' ally. I think that Poland was pretty much split between the Russians and Germans in 1939 after the Ribbontrop-Molotov agreement. I don't really think it should be included. Switzerland should definitely be neutral though.

The Russian unit shouldn't be the MiG since that wasn't available at the time. I don't know enough about WWII history to come up with the specific units by myself.... (sorry)

And to everyone, I apologize for the double post. My computer's being screwy....

[Kassiopeia]

Re: World War II

Originally posted by jsw363
Neutrals? Is it a good idea to have a Neutral civ?
Poland? Spain? Turkey? Finland?

As uncomfortable to say this is, Finland was actually, after surviving the attack of USSR, an ally of the Reich. So I wouldn't have Finland as a neutral nation, because it simply wasn't one.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Well I am sure that it was mentioned by Firaxis, some time ago that thewre will be 16 civs avaialble for scenarios...

so here is my modern world 16 civ situation as of the beginnig of 21st century which could represent the sphere of influence/economic style that major cultures have today.

1.EU (in the future they will be the western +eastern europe, going towards Turkey and Israel) - could be broken in two theree of four (Western Europe, eastern europe, turkey, and Israel - Israel would go with Western Europe in teh cse of a three civ situation)
2.US + canada
3.China
4.Russia+former USSR republics (excluding the three baltic ones they go to eastern Europe and with EU)
5.India
6.Sub-saharan Africa
7.Latin America
8.Islamic nations (pakistan/ Iraq could go tho the rogue nation club)
9.Japan + Malaysian subcontinent & indonesia +Taiwan
10.Australia + polynesia
11.rogue civ (located at Afganistan, Cuba, Iraq, Kashmir,Tibet, Chechenia, Yugoslavia, Columbia, Kongo) which are present places of war and would give all major civs some trouble to sort out and occupy.

So we have a 11 civ option, a 16 civ one could be
EU becomes three civs.
1.Western europe +Israel
allied with
2.Eastern europe
3.Turkey
4.US
allied with
5.Canada
6.China
7.Russia
8. Rogue Nations
9.India
10. Sub saharan Africa
11.South America
12. Arab League
13. Iran
14.Japan
15. Malasyan subcontinent + Indonesia
16. Australia

This should be bone on one of those ultra gigantic maps, to give the game good proportion and to give each civ a few cities and the ability to develop. game balancing this would be interesting, but first we have to see what Civ III has on offer. Culture could fit nicely to help balance the game

[OneFootInTheGrave]

double post

[hetairoi22]

Re: World War II

A (GOOD, for once) WWII scenarion would be nice.

Originally posted by jsw363
I don't know enough about WWII history to come up with the specific units by myself.... (sorry)

The Russian UU should definitively be the T-34 Tank, which was one of the strongest/best tank around WWII.

The Americans could have a unique bomber? (B-52)

I really like the 400bc scenario (idea)!

Here's some changes I would do to it (Yes, I know. I allways have to complaint )

The Greek civ should be split into the Independant Greeks and the Macedonians (Led by Alexander the Great or, his father who reformed the army, Phillip II). The Macedonian UU would be the Companion Cavalry (the strongest cavalry around, in that time period, which was actually made up of aristocracts!), and/or the Macedonian Phalanx (a reformed phalanx type with very long spears (ca. 5 meters) called sarissas).

The Independant Greek UU, would be the normal Phalanx unit.

The Persian UU would be the Ten Thousand Immortals (Probly shouldn't be rebuilt efter destroyed):

About the immortals:

The Ten Thousand Immortals:

in Persian history, core troops in the Achaemenian army, so named because their number of 10,000 was immediately reestablished after every loss. Under the direct leadership of the hazarapat, or commander in chief, the Immortals, who formed the king's personal bodyguard, consisted primarily of Persians but also included Medes and Elamites. They apparently had special privileges, such as being allowed to take concubines and servants along with them on the march. On coloured glazed bricks and carved reliefs found at the Achaemenian capitals, such as the Palace of Artaxerxes at Susa, the Immortals are often represented standing stiffly at attention, each soldier's wooden spear with its silver blade and pomegranate insignia held upright and resting firmly on his toe. They wore elaborate robes and much gold jewelry. An elite 1,000 of the Immortals were further distinguished by having gold pomegranates on their spears.
Encyclopædia Britannica: Ten Thousand Immortals @ http://search.eb.com/bol/topic?eu=73525&sctn=1#s_top

Just some ideas/info

A

[Mahdimael]

Interesting stuff. You know, with the resources and all, you could make a very interesting and cool Colonization-esque scenario, with the normal players:
English
Dutch
French
Spanish
Portugese

and native peoples

South American Native Tribes (aztecs, incas)
Southern Tribes (Creoles, etc)
Northern Tribes (Iriquois, etc)


Also, I would love to see a "scenarios" folder where we can put our different scenario folders (or mods). A lot of the mods for civ2 had us copying over the units and rules...something where civ would detect which files are in the scenario directory and use those over the standard ones would be very very nice

[jsw363]

Mahdimael-

Your scenario is a great idea. Would like to play a colonization type scenario. Here are my suggestions:

South American Tribes-
Incas
Guarani

North American Tribes-
Aztecs
Maya (perhaps a few small outposts, as they were almost gone as a civ by the time of European arrival)
Iroquois
Inuit
Souix
(Note: Creole are not a tribe. Briefly, they are people descended from French/Spanish blood who lived in Louisiana area or alternately mestizos of mixed ancestry)

As for the Europeans, I would also include the Russians who had significant holdings in the west all the way down to present day California. There are other minor European countries who also got into the colonization game, but I don't really think that Sweeden etc. were big colonial players. (This is disregarding the Viking voyages across the Atlantic). I think it should be restricted to the "classic" era of colonization.

hetairoi- Thanks for the input. If the Greeks get the Phalanx, then what unit would replace it for eveyone else?

In WWII what should the British UU be?

[Timeline]

“Also, I would love to see a "scenarios" folder where we can put our different scenario folders (or mods). A lot of the mods for civ2 had us copying over the units and rules...something where civ would detect which files are in the scenario directory and use those over the standard ones would be very very nice ”

I have ME (Civ2 Multiplayer Gold Edition) and the way it operates scenarios is *exactly* the way you described. And yes, it is very very nice

[Timeline]

“Well I am sure that it was mentioned by Firaxis, some time ago that thewre will be 16 civs avaialble for scenarios...”

I am 99% sure of this too. Now after you say it I am 99.9% sure, but I can’t be 100% until I see the quote where they said it.

“1.EU (in the future they will be the western +eastern europe, going towards Turkey and Israel) - could be broken in two theree of four (Western Europe, eastern europe, turkey, and Israel - Israel would go with Western Europe in teh cse of a three civ situation)”

Question: Which countries shall goto eastern europe?

“4.Russia+former USSR republics (excluding the three baltic ones they go to eastern Europe and with EU)”

The Baltic states being who? Poland, Ukraine, and someone els?


Some great thoughts guys. I too like the Colonization Scenario.