Which Civ2 Should Be Out Of Civ3?

[November Adam]

Originally posted by Wille


I just bought BG2: Throne of Bhaal yesterday and on the box it says " European version - Not for sale in North America or Canada -this game will not install on North American or Canadian systems"

Oy, now we fell off the freakin continent!

[November Adam]

Originally posted by To_Serve_Man
So your denying the fact that the nation of Canada is located in the North American continent? Logically Canada is an American nation.

I already know Canada is a seprate nation
The civ Americans implies to me that it includes the cultures, and peoples of the America continent. Its like.... England. We dont have 4 Civs to for england (Britan, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland) We combine the all. But those people in those areas my have a small accent diffrenece, but are not seperate nations. Thats what American civ does. It combines seperate nations in a large area together. It shouldnt.

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Well if we were to get really technical, the game should be broken down to civs as they were, not as they are now. Canada, and the States were part of the English, French, and Spanish civilizations.

Then again the British were Angols, Saxxons, and a whole bunch of others. Crimeny Europe, was awhole hodge podge of civilizations, not at all related to the civs in the game.

Just leave it at countries ("civs"), as they are now.

[To_Serve_Man]

We're not getting technical. I dont think that seperating nations is very technical. We dont need to split England into Saxxons, Vikings, etc. We're spliting Canadians, United Statians, and Mexicans into new civs. All of them have done plenty in my eye to be allowed its own place as a civ if thats what were basing civs on.

[November Adam]

Just re-read the old posts, I think there is a bit of confusion. I agree with you in that there should be seperaret representaitions, just so there isn't any "hurt feelings".

I was disagreeing, that "American" implied "North American", I think "american" implies individuals from the USA. So I don't really think that in the game, "American" has to change. The game is referring to the people in the "civs", Canadian (not Canada), English (not England), French (not France), etc. I don't know what else the people who live in the States are called, but Americans.

I love forums, you can argue all you want! (My wife doesn't like arguments.)

[Gramphos]

ostrander-bellepoint and all other that voted Americans,
I'm with you, and as I know that Americans was added to Civ1 as a last minute change to be able to sell a lot in America I know, that Sid knows they are no civilization. They will anyway not remove them, as they need them to keep their sales high.

I want to state that I didn't read more then the firs post (of the pollcreator) before I voted, so your post has nothing to do with my vote.

[Gangerolf]

I'm surprised to see that I'm the first one to vote for the Zulus. OK - I suppose they're a bit cool, but that doesn't make them a freakin civilzation! They were a quite primitive tribe that got in the way of Dutch and British colonistst in South Africa some while ago, nothing more. In Civ1&2 their capitol city was Zimbabwe, even though the city of Zimbabwe never belonged to the Zulus.
I think the Ethiopians or the Mali are better alternatives as an African civ.

[me_irate]

no mongols

I guess i am the only one who voted for those pitiful mongols. They were much less a civ than any of the others listed. Thier 3 cities that "they" actually built were tiny in comparison to many of the other great cities of the world at that time. So what they spread technologies from asia. So did merchants, that doesn't mean anything. I would rather have a tribe of merchants than those "Barbarians" a civ hardly.

Oh by the way. I agree carthagians should not be in the game, however, the Phoenicians should be. They were the origional rulers of the carthagain people and back before 330 bc when alexander destroyed their capital they ruled the seas. Infact they were probley in relation to other civs of thier time the greatest seapower ever. Back prior to 330 bc. They had settled,Spain, Carthage, and many other african nations, as well as sailed as far as britain, down the coast of africa, and by many acounts possibly to etheopia. The survivors simply fled to carthage after tyre was sacked and this great city became thier capital.

[tniem]

Originally posted by Alex 14
I concur, America does not deserve to be in Civ 3, If Firaxis wasn't in San Fransisco, then they might not of put it in.

They aren't located in San Francisco. Direct from Firaxis.com:

Firaxis Games is located about 20 minutes from downtown Baltimore, across from the Hunt Valley stop on the Light Rail, and at Exit 20A on Route 83 North and South. Our offices are on the Penthouse of the Executive Plaza Building III, and offer a breathtaking view of the Northern Maryland countryside.

[Kenobi]

No surprise here: Americans are my vote, for the reasons provided by others above.

On Carthage and the Celts, it's true that they were snuffed out fairly early in history, but only because of Rome, which emerged as the superpower of its time. Carthage was the apex of the Phoenician culture, the principal maritime/trade society in the Mediterranean of the era. They came very close to wiping out Rome under Hannibal, and were annihilated by Rome in response. When the Romans razed the city of Carthage, they plowed the soil with salt so that nothing could ever grow there (and threaten them) again.

The Celts at one stage ruled across most of Western and Eastern Europe until a combination of the Romans and germanic tribes forced them back to the areas we call "Celtic" today.

Both civs were early and worthy adversaries of other European cultures.

[ostrander-bellepoint]

If one wants to be most accurate for which civs to include, he should pick civilizations based on language families. So the civs would have unglamorous names like the Indo-Europeans, the Uralics, and the Hamito-Semitics. (This is actually how I've modified the game for my personal use.)

Of course, those civilizations wouldn't have much market appeal.

[JellyDonut]

Originally posted by November Adam
American, as it known the world around refers to the USA.

Actually in Spanish, "American" (americano) refers to "from the Americas." A citizen of the US is "North American" (norteamericano). Dont ask me why.

[November Adam]

Originally posted by JellyDonut


Actually in Spanish, "American" (americano) refers to "from the Americas." A citizen of the US is "North American" (norteamericano). Dont ask me why.

I stand corrected, are there any other countries where this is the case? (Understanding that each language will have their own word).

[TCO]

1. This whole thread is a ripoff of my thread: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...6&pagenumber=1

Didn't anybody notice this?

2. I voted for the Aztecs. Hate those city names...

[TechWins]

1. This whole thread is a ripoff of my thread:

Yeah, exactly it is a big ripoff of your thread. Serapis told me to take a poll on it, though. So I did, as you can see. I'm sorry in doing this if I offended you in anyway. I had no intention in doing that. The only difference betwee our two threads is that mine is a poll. Plus I figured your thread was going to end soon with it being so long in all in such a short period of time. By the way, thanks for creating that thread. It may have got off topic but there was a lot of good discusstion going on in it, I posted many times in it. Again sorry for that.

I'm sorry to all those people who voted for the Americans because you are jealous people.

[SerapisIV]

Hey, I only randomly thought of the poll and suggested someone put it up to put numbers to endless debating. I told nobody to do anything. Any polls put up were done by people of their own free will.