Which Civ2 Should Be Out Of Civ3?

[TechWins]

What civ. from Civ2 should be deleted from Civ3. When casting your vote please leave a post of why you voted for that particular civ to be out of Civ3.

Idea for this poll came from SerapisIV.

[TechWins]

I voted for the Carthaginians because I feel that they weren't a huge influence on the world. They were only around for somewhat of a short period of time. They didn't accomplish all that much in their history. Plus the way that their civilization ended kind of shows that they aren't that worthy of being considered a great civ. I'm not saying that they are not a good civ, I just feel that out of all the other civs from Civ2 they deserve to be taken out the most.

[Footie Mad]

Carthagians for me as well, for the same reason as Techwins mentions above, relative to the other civs they did not have such a big impact on history. Go Vikings ( they had quite a big influence on moder europe, and yes im partial )

[ostrander-bellepoint]

I voted to remove the Americans in full knowledge that (1) I would likely be the only one to vote this way and (2) that there is no way that the Americans will not be included among the available civs in Civ III.

The reason that I chose the Americans is that it seems to me that America isn't a real civilization. The Americans are just an off-shoot of the English civilization; the American civilization is the result of relatively recent colonization, mostly from European civilizations, and has not earned any major distinction from them such as a new religion or a radically new language.

It simultaneously amuses and disgusts me that the American civilization, which is just a rebel colony of the British, starts off at the same time as the Babylonians or Chinese. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

I welcome all of the criticism that surely shall come.

[vonManstein]

Originally posted by ostrander-bellepoint
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I welcome all of the criticism that surely shall come.

I voted for (against?) the Yanks too, same reason Canuckland shouldn't be in Civ3 (even though it was in *cough* CTP2).

[SerapisIV]

I voted Carthaginians, they lost, they were a medium size trading power but got beat by the Romans before they could ever rise to significant prominence. We only remember them now because the Romans became so powerful and they immortalized their most ancient enemy.

[SerapisIV]

About the Americans, well I'm biased but, most of the groups with the exception of the Sioux/Iroquois were at some point in their existence significant military powers, who were able to heavily influence at least one continents political history. The Americans have done that just as well as Pax Britannica, Napolean, or the Chinese, not for as long, but without the US civilization (what do you think the fundamentalists hate, American culture and lifestyle, what else is a civilization?) the current world would be very, very different place.

[Alex 14]

Originally posted by ostrander-bellepoint
I voted to remove the Americans in full knowledge that (1) I would likely be the only one to vote this way and (2) that there is no way that the Americans will not be included among the available civs in Civ III.

The reason that I chose the Americans is that it seems to me that America isn't a real civilization. The Americans are just an off-shoot of the English civilization; the American civilization is the result of relatively recent colonization, mostly from European civilizations, and has not earned any major distinction from them such as a new religion or a radically new language.

It simultaneously amuses and disgusts me that the American civilization, which is just a rebel colony of the British, starts off at the same time as the Babylonians or Chinese. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

I welcome all of the criticism that surely shall come.

I concur, America does not deserve to be in Civ 3, If Firaxis wasn't in San Fransisco, then they might not of put it in.

[JellyDonut]

I chose "Americans" because they really aren't a civilization. They don't have their own language and their "culture" is very similar to Western European culture. Nation status doesn't define civilization status and vice versa (Basques, Tibetans, Siberians, Iroquois, etc.). All the other civs in the game have been around much longer than the Americans. Take them out!

[Fidel]

yanks, for all the reasons stated above....

[Footie Mad]

Could someone please enlighten me as to why the Sioux/Irouqis deserve to be in civ3, im sure they had some great acheviements in order to just be a part of the discussion but as my american history isn't that great I would appreciate your info.

[Fidel]

two words - sitting bull

[Grumbold]

I was tempted to pick the Celts because it seems unfair to have both the Celts and the nations that arose from Celtic tribes like English and French. Then I realised that at least initially, certain proud Celtic nations like the Irish, Welsh and Scots will not have their 'national' version in game so they deserve the broad option.

Carthage was a very important civilisation in its time. If Rome had not been so terrified of it that it literally erased the nation from the map I'm sure we would have heard more of them. Still, I suppose most people only know of Hannibal and assume that was their only claim to fame.

[SerapisIV]

It simultaneously amuses and disgusts me that the American civilization, which is just a rebel colony of the British, starts off at the same time as the Babylonians or Chinese. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Oh but starting the British or Germans or even the Romans with the Babylonians makes perfect sense? And the Babylonians actually existing past 1000 BC and getting railroad technology? Get off your high horse. All you damn Euros think that because the Americans don't have a religion or language that they aren't a full civ.

English is the international language of air-traffic controllers, is it because of the British? No, the Americans. What are most Euro countries, particularly the French doing? Trying to keep American culture and American words (mainly computer and tech words) out. So American culture is currently the dominant threat to your own cultures as McDonalds pop open in your towns. Everyone throws stones at the Top Dog, deal with it Europe, you couldn't do a damn thing in the Balkans without American support. If the US pulled out, there isn't a damn thing Europe could or would do to stop the carnage from continuing.

[Provost Harrison]

Yeah, Carthaginians for me. Never really seemed to have a great impact all in all, a brief bit of glory but that was it before they got smashed to little pieces by the Romans.