New Eight Civs analysis: just the facts ma'am

[History Guy]

Louis, a Mayan Javelineer, an Incan Scout, and a trebuchet! One wonders if the trebuchet will be the only generic new unit in this X-Pack...

[The Templar]

Originally posted by dexters
Maybe Civil war is possible in Conquests?

One can only hope!

I would like to see more modern civs added. Perhaps Australia or Indonesia would do (also rounding out the map). Also, more modern American civs would be nice. How about Brazil? Chile? Argentina? Peru? These would also round out the map. And before you say Brazil or Peru are too small or too new, I'd poit out that historically the Hittites were a flash in the pan of their era - a brief moment of glory. Not everything can be Egypt, China, and India - civs that have endured in one form or another through a good chunk of history. But the focus in Conquests looks to be more ancient.

[The Templar]

Originally posted by History Guy
Louis, a Mayan Javelineer, an Incan Scout, and a trebuchet! One wonders if the trebuchet will be the only generic new unit in this X-Pack...

What exactly does a trebuchet add in terms of gameplay? Do we really need a bombard unit between catapults and cannon? Will the trebuchet be a sort of super-bombard unit that costs more and is more powerful than a cannon (think AoK here) and costs more?

Sounds almost like more padding in the game than substance.

[Panag]

Originally posted by The Templar


What exactly does a trebuchet add in terms of gameplay? Do we really need a bombard unit between catapults and cannon? Will the trebuchet be a sort of super-bombard unit that costs more and is more powerful than a cannon (think AoK here) and costs more?

Sounds almost like more padding in the game than substance.

hi ,

it shall probably be like a catapult with more chances of hitting something , two spaces away or so , .....

have a nice day

[Louis XXIV]

It probably will be a catapult with a 6 (instead of 4) bombard

I would like them to pad the game with a ton of units (like DYP)

I don't think it'll be the onlu non-UU. PTW had 2

[History Guy]

I hope it isn't the only one.

Templar, trebuchets will never be more powerful than cannons!

[Tiberius]

I think trebuchets will be units that have more chances to destroy city improvements (especially walls) than a catapult and less chances to hit units. This is important, too, not only the attack/bombard value.

[TOUGHUSAGUY]

THE ONLY CIVS SHOULD BE WESTERN CIVS CAUSE THATS WHERE THE IMPORTANT THINGS INVENTS AND HAPPENED IN!

ISRAEL, IRELAND, ITALY, POLAND, SACANDINAVIA, UKRAINE, SLAVIC PEOPLE, AUSTRIA, AND DUTCH

USA USA USA USA USA USA USA!!!!

[bobbo008]

"THE ONLY CIVS SHOULD BE WESTERN CIVS CAUSE THATS WHERE THE IMPORTANT THINGS INVENTS AND HAPPENED IN!

ISRAEL, IRELAND, ITALY, POLAND, SACANDINAVIA, UKRAINE, SLAVIC PEOPLE, AUSTRIA, AND DUTCH

USA USA USA USA USA USA USA!!!!"

you missed several big nations there.

[Thirgaral]

Sacandinavia?, It's that small country south of Poland, right?
Anyway...Scandinavia is already in PtW....

[Louis XXIV]

I have an idea for a Hittite UU

Hittites used Chariots (same as Egypt) so it is very difficult to think of a UU.

But Hittite Chariots were lighter.

Maybe they could be 20 cost, 1.1.3 requires Horses

Is that un-balanced?

[The Emperor Fabulous]

With the inclusion of the Sumerians and Hittites from the Fertile Crescent, and the Incans and Mayans from the Americas, I'm willing to wager that there will be one from Europe, one from Africa, and one from Asia, leaving one more to come from any of those regions. That discounts the Hebrews. As far as other Native American tribes, its possible they'll do that, but I bet they'll go across the world more.

I'd say it'll be the Byzantines, the Slavs, the Nubians, and the Khmer.

[Selanne]

I find the middle-east and Europe far too crowded already. The eight I'd suggest if I had control:

1. Ethiopia(Axum)
2. Mali/Songhai
3. Khmer
4. Java (Majapahit)
5. Inca
6. Sioux

The last 2 are harder...
7. Mwenemutapa (which would require renaming some Zulu cities ie Great Zimbabwe) - or if not them then Luba/Lunda or perhaps Congo to give Southern Africa greater representation.
8. Somewhere in South America, but the Inca encompass the area of the only older Civs I know about. Gran Columbia (however short lived) and Brazil would be ideas for modern Civs.

[Zero]

Someone said way before that offensive spearmen would be a useless UU because of babylon bowmen.

I disagree. There would be alot of difference.

first the upgrade path differs. Second, your research strategy differs as well. And third, even if UU is exactly the same, if s=civ traits are different from babylon, you would still face a civ with different strategy, so I wouldnt mind having another 2/2/1 stat unit.

Also, Just IMO, but I think whoever is industrial/exp is gonna really rock. Unless they give that civ a UU thats worse than the F-15.... Americans are a pretty good civ "w/o a UU". Imagine if they have a viable UU.....

Trait combos that havent been doubled yet... Im guessing these are what the 8 civs are gonna try to be, cause having 8 more mil/exp or mil/rel civ would suck.

Trait Combo / Civs that currently have the trait

In/Exp (America) - probably would be my favorite
Mil/Com (Rome)
Mil/Ind (China) - beating china would be pretty hard
Sci/Exp (Russia) - If they have swordmen UU it would rock
Com/Exp(England) - Com/Exp trait civ with land UU? That could be nice
Mil/Sci (Germany) - Anicent UU on this combo would be NICE
Rel/Ind (Egypt) - somewhat later UU than egypt and builders would love it

And one more thing, I'd love to see upgradable or obsolete-able units that currently dont have UUs (pikemen, medieval infantry, riflemen, guerilla) should have a UU version. I intentionally left infantry out of the list cause even though Inf are upgradeable (to mech inf), they dont really go obsolete... and it would be unfair to have a land UU that will always be useful from there and on. (maybe very little advanatage could balance it out with the fact you wont have it for so long, but even so...)

[The Templar]

Originally posted by History Guy
I hope it isn't the only one.

Templar, trebuchets will never be more powerful than cannons!

I know that and you know that. I was thinking of Age of Kings (an old RTS game) where trebuchets blew the cannon units away (of course, they might have been very primitive cannon units). I just don't see much of a role for these In the game as it stands. If there is a glaring gap in this game, it remains in the Swordsman line. There needs to be a unit between medieval infantry (and longbowmen) and guerillas. Guerillas should be a modern unit (look at that assault rifle!) and a lot tougher.