New Eight Civs analysis: just the facts ma'am

[Azeem]

Um, why does Mursilis have the Ishtar Gates behind them?

[alva]

Since this game is all about an alternative timeline, why not include the Neaderthall?

[History Guy]

Azeem, I asked the same question. I can only suppose that either 1) the Gilgamesh and Mursilis pics got switched, or 2) it is meant to represent the fact that Mursilis was the chap who conquered Babylon back in the 1600s BC.

[brianshapiro]

THE DUTCH SHOULD HAVE THE SLOOP or possibly FLUYT AS THEIR UU, A FASTER MORE ABLE CARAQVEL

[Nakar Gabab]

Was Gilgamesh even a real person? I mean we can presume the epic was based on a probable king named Gilgamesh, but he was only king of one city. I guess they can't use Sargon though, since he's an Akkadian.

What's wrong with the Hittites, anyway? They were pretty tough in their day!

There MUST be another African Civ. Ethiopia or the Nubians, please. It'd be a real injustice to see Africa and the Americas shafted again in favor of another 6 civs in Europe or something.

[dexters]

Australia and Canada have no place in Civ IMO. We're just offshoot colonies of England with little to distinguish ourselves by, espcially when viewed outside English club (Americans, Australians, Britons and Canadians).

Other Civilizations are far more deserving.

Polynesians have my vote. They colonized much of the south pacific.

Well, you history nuts can go argue about who else could use the spot Australia ought to free up.

[TheStinger]

The Byzantines were just Romans, they aren't a seperate civilisation. It would be like having England and Britain( and yes I know Britain has Scotland, Wales as well but you get my point)

[a_wanderer]

with all the world regions getting so tightly covered (perhaps with the exception of central africa) i think firaxis are overlooking one of the most important 'region' - eastern europe. eastern europe is deffintiely not only russia - and before there were even the beginnings of anything like traces of a russian country for example a bulgarian country was already very strong (the bulgarians are reperesented as a tribe in civ 3 currently). the poles are also another similar option - though both of these countries have suffered long periods of foreign occupation and are now relatively 'unnoticed'.

the poles have already gotten their share of support in these forums, but i believe the bulgarians have been totally (and quite unjustly) overlooked. of course that they are not a front-line nation for the game, but when it comes to civs 24-32 they deffinitely deserve to have at least a shot.

just a few facts for those of you ho are not familiar - the bulgarians became the first 'tribe' to settle and establish a country in what was deemed a byzantian territorry (south of the danube in the balkan peninsular) in 681 ad against byzantia's will. from this moment on there was a constant struggle between bulgaria and byzantium which byznatium finally won in 1018, though on two occassions constantinople itself was on the verge of being taken by the bulgarians. during that time there are also quite a few intersting facts to note like the decisive intervention of the bulgarians to help byzantium out during a huge arabian siege of constantinople in 717 ad (+/- a couple of years i can't recollect exactly right now). by the time of the height of the bulgarian first state it was one of the major three (and practically only singificant) countries in europe - france, byznatium and bulgaria (bulgaria and france had a common border for roughly 20-30 years in what's present day hungary). apart from warfare achievments the first bulgarian state had also some quite good cultural achievements and has provided the 'cultural start' (very roughly said) for russia - both religion and literature-wise.

there are quite a few interesting facts to note about bulgaria but i doubt that anyone would be interstred to hear more anyway (since it seems like everyone has its favorites, but just to give you an interesting perspective and an option that noone has mentioned so far (i believe) ;_)

pozdravi

[History Guy]

Gilgamesh supposedly was a real king, but was so far back that we know terribly little about him. I think Wooley's expeditions turned up some artifacts proving his existence, so he fits. But Enkidu Warriors? Forget it. Enkidu was the fuzzy friend of Gilgamesh whom the gods did in. They would have done better to make some sort of offensive spearman, as most of Sumerian military was made up of such troops.

I sincerely doubt Firaxis is silly enough to forget the Israelites again. I deeply suspect they shall appear.

I doubt we shall see Byzantium, Canada, or Australia, but I don't mind in the least.

[Louis XXIV]

They couldn't do anything with an offensive spearman.
Babylon has the equivalent

I think they will inlcude the civ traits that PTW did NOT have (ind, exp ... sci, exp ... mil, exp ... etc)

[Panag]

hi ,


wait a min , 16+8 = 24 if there are only 32 slots and the barbs take one that leaves 7 , .....

have a nice day

[Spiffor]

Well, maybe it will be impossible to play with all 32 Civs at once, or at the cost of Barbarians.
Or maybe they'll change a bit of the hardcoding, and will make Barbarians behave completely differently, hence opening the 32nd spot to a Civ.

Anyway, Firaxis has stated on its site that there will be Eight new Civs. Period

[Louis XXIV]

In vanilla civ, the max was 16 (17 with barbs)

In PTW, they changed the included amount to be 24. You could now add 32 (including barbs) civs

Maybe in C3C, you could add 40-48 civs. The included amount will be 32 (33 with barbs)

This is probably if you already have PTW

[ChaotikVisions]

Well, i'm hoping for the Cherokee. They did develop their own language and the like, though it didn't help them from beng pushed off their land. Not sure for a UU, maybe a spear/bow hybrid. For traits, Militaristic would fit, as well as Scientific for how they adapted to the colonists. Though perhaps Commercial might go in its place instead.

[History Guy]

Chaotic, I doubt it. So far, we have two Middle Eastern civs and two American civs. There are five cultures, and two are more than accounted for (unless the Hittites are a Mediterranean civ). I'm still hoping for the Israelites.

There must be at least one European and one Asian civ. Perhaps it will be Portuguese/Dutch or Polynesians/Khmers. And, we all know that there must be one African civ.