New Eight Civs analysis: just the facts ma'am

[kring]

In Vanilla Civ 3, the max was 31+ Barbs; the game came with 16 + Barbs. All PtW did was add 8 more civs.

The question is did they add the ability to play more than 31+ Barbs, or allow 32 with no Barbs? Other possibilities could include: having 32 civs, but a max of 31+ Barbs in any game; PtW and C3C civs are not playable together, etc.

[Louis XXIV]

Kring, I think you were wrong.

I thought you had to replace civs (In a PTW chat they said they managed to increase the civ number to 31 max)

[Spiffor]

IIRC, there was a problem in the early versions of Civ3 : the game was coded to host max. 31 civs + Barbs, but all colors past the 17th were buggy (i.e, your game would have bugged if you modded a Civ's colour to take a colour from the bottom of the list)

[Stefu]

Can we be absolutely sure that the Hittites will be a regular game civ, anyhow? I mean, we know that there's going to be a scenario covering the Mesopotamian area. Couldn't the Hittites be a civ only for that scenario? I mean, since now we can do leaderheads, it's possible they'll do them for their scenarios, too...

[The Templar]

Originally posted by Stefu
Can we be absolutely sure that the Hittites will be a regular game civ, anyhow? I mean, we know that there's going to be a scenario covering the Mesopotamian area. Couldn't the Hittites be a civ only for that scenario? I mean, since now we can do leaderheads, it's possible they'll do them for their scenarios, too...

Good grief! The ancient middle east is going to be filled with third raters in Conquests if these aren't only scenario civs. Then again, if your going to pay for the art - why pay to make scenario-only civs?

Are there even enough city names to support all these ancient guys? How many civs are going to end up with a city named 'Ur' now?

[History Guy]

I'd have to agree. Sumeria is pushing it with Babylon around. I'd never have thought it possible to make two distinct civ lists for them, since they are just the same bunch, really. The Hittites don't deserve a place in civilization (I'd say the same for the Mongols if I didn't secretly like the Keshik...whoops!), and I think they were the worst choice yet.

Stefu, no, I'm sure they aren't just for the scenario. Why go through all the trouble of making a leaderhead (and a very fine leaderhead it is too, despite the Ishtar Gate in the background) for a civ that only goes into a scenario that some players won't spend more than a few minutes glancing at?

[dexters]

Maybe Civil war is possible in Conquests?

[monkspider]

Interesting point Stefu, I never really thought about that. What you say is possible, if, and only if, they got the pictures switched. Otherwise the Hittitie leader shown is clearly in middle-age attire, implying that they are not a scenario-only civ.

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hi ,

, maybe they have put the barbs in a special coded corner and they dont count as a "civ" anymore , .....

have a nice day

[Spiffor]

All this artwork must have taken much time and money. IIRC, It's because of artwork reasons that there were less playable civs in vanilla Civ3 than in vanilla Civ2.

I'm 99% positive Firaxis will sell the Hittites as one of the 8 Civs of the pack, because it would really not be profitable to do such a hard work for a mere small portion of the product.

[kring]

Originally posted by Louis XXIV
Kring, I think you were wrong.

I thought you had to replace civs (In a PTW chat they said they managed to increase the civ number to 31 max)

http://www.bclay.com/civ3maps/tutorials/AddingCivs.asp , this tutorial was designed for vanilla Civ 3, 1.29f patch. In the early game, the ability to add new civs (the add button) was hidden, but some people stumbled over how to do so. The add button was subsequently put in a patch.

This is from the the 1.29f Patch Readme:

* Editor: Enabled Add/Delete buttons for Civilizations. Note that there is a maximum of 32 Civilizations.

[Panag]

hi ,

all the new screenshots are in this thread > http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...20#post2004424

enjoy

have a nice day

[bobbo008]

"THE DUTCH SHOULD HAVE THE SLOOP or possibly FLUYT AS THEIR UU, A FASTER MORE ABLE CARAQVEL"

caravel? come on...

the the Man-o-War is an all but useless unit, i wouldnt want to see another sailing UU

[Krakan]

Incans are definitely in; one screenie is the incan scout. Is the Gilgamesh leaderhead for Sumeria, or a different civ?

[Louis XXIV]

Gilgamesh is Sumerian, the Sumerian UU is the funny looking Endiku warrior

The other leaderhead besides Gilgamesh is Mursilis of the Hittites
Also, there is a Mayan Javelineer