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  • #16
    Originally posted by Konquest02
    I don't think GS will not notice they're at war with us... They are experienced players and are quite attentive to what goes on in a game...

    They will even get a popup saying :"Vox Controli has declared war on you!" This can't easily be overlooked...

    --Kon--
    I agree. I say we declare war. Let's be upfront about this.
    Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.

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    • #17
      Ok, I agree - we declare war - but only AFTER we take their warriors out. No sense in giving them a free turn to run away.
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      • #18
        Agreed - I will play our turn. We take out the northern warrior and the one on the east coast gets cornered. He gets it on the second turn. All our warriors meanwhile pull back for Dissidentville and upgrading.

        And after our turn is played - we post.

        And I will put some disclaimer on the other Public Announcement Thread that Operation MacArthur is cancelled. As of the last Vox turn, there are no forces on the continent. All of which is true, btw.
        Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.

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        • #19
          Or we can let GS believe that we've started a two-front war (at least for the time being). This way they (GS) might take the forces they see for granted and think that most of our force is envolved on Bob.
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          • #20
            We need some thoughts on which cities we tackle and what we do when we take them.

            The first city will no doubt be the one just south of the mountains from Dissidentville. But do we raze it? We need a foward base of some sort - and having use of the road network we would capture would be great - but it is very close to their capitol, far from ours, and would be surrounded on at least two - probably 3 sides by GS cities. That makes it ripe for cultural conversion back to GS. Which would be a disaster.

            Maybe we raze it, and claim Monsoon.

            And then the decision is whether go for the capitol or by-pass it and aim for the shield cities. This seems to be the popular and logical choice. If we did take the Eye - it would knock their capitol back to another city - which actually could increase the production of those cities. On the other hand - if the Eye is central - we could cut a big hole in their infrastructure.

            But we would be fighting on the plains - which as Harry has pointed out - could be deadly for us.

            So - I think the main force continues down the mountains. Any chariot attacks should be easily repelled. This force will target cities close to those mountains - and at least we will get a good sense of the lay of the land.

            Another force clearly needs to establish itself on the east coast. One - intel indicates their iron is there. And two - we know that at least two cities other than the Eye are nearby targets - the city north of the eye, and one that is east - presumably Hurricane. Hurricane being their second city may be a high-shiled city.

            So - Harry and Mo take out the warrior - and enter the mountains. The galley heads back - and in three turns can deposit two more Immortals onto the mountain chain. As warriors are upgraded in Dissidentville, we can get them to Iron Mountain in two turns, and then two galley moves to the mountains.

            Does this work for you guys?

            And of course - as things unfold - we will have to adjust as necessary.
            Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Wittlich
              Or we can let GS believe that we've started a two-front war (at least for the time being). This way they (GS) might take the forces they see for granted and think that most of our force is envolved on Bob.
              Hmmm. Hadn't thought of this. Think they would buy it. They might. GoW is at war with us, in-game. It could be another stupid thing that we have done. Great idea, Witt!

              The rhetoric so far is convincing. Yes - I like this. Maybe we can even get NeuD to declare war on us as well.

              To GS it will appear we are isolated in the world - and gone lunatic. Little do they know that the rest of the world supports us, either directly or indirectly.

              Anything we can do to get them to under-react - even in the slightest - would be good.

              I will amend my statement in the MacArthur thread to read "Notwithstanding the current issues on the homefront, Vox Controli stands by its claim to this land and is committed to this operation."

              Of course - we will need to PM the Bobians.
              Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.

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              • #22
                What if we ignore Monsoon for the time being (it was just built, so has no improvements and there is nothing special about it) and aim for the cities east of their capital?

                I wish we can strike first at their capital, but being surrounded by plains, they will have the first stike at us...but if it can be taken....

                Does their capital still only have one chariot stationed there? If so, it IS a very tempting target...
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                • #23
                  Financing Update after the GA has kicked in.

                  Currently - 380
                  Current GPT - 30
                  If we can maintain the +30 gpt over the netire period of the GA, that would be 600 gold over the next 20 turns.

                  Plus - 200-300 loan from Lego. Let's say 200.

                  Plus - the 200 from the RP deal.

                  That totals 1380 gold, or 34 more immortal upgrades. In addition to the 15 we have now, that is one shy of 50.

                  Let's hope the first and second waves can make a big enough dent - and then we can swamp them with a steady stream of reinforcements. We shall see.
                  Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.

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                  • #24
                    The first city will no doubt be the one just south of the mountains from Dissidentville. But do we raze it? We need a foward base of some sort - and having use of the road network we would capture would be great - but it is very close to their capitol, far from ours, and would be surrounded on at least two - probably 3 sides by GS cities. That makes it ripe for cultural conversion back to GS. Which would be a disaster.
                    In my SP games I typically have a lot more culture than the AI civs so I don't worry much about conversion to them. It will be different here especially since this game has moved so fast and we have built few city improvements.

                    That first city is next to the mountain. There is a good chance it is on a hill. It would be a good place to defend. That would give us control of both ends of the mountain chain. We could use a base for healing our units and a launching point for further attacks. I don't want to raze all their cities but we may need to raze many of them that are close to their capital.

                    So - Harry and Mo take out the warrior - and enter the mountains. The galley heads back - and in three turns can deposit two more Immortals onto the mountain chain. As warriors are upgraded in Dissidentville, we can get them to Iron Mountain in two turns, and then two galley moves to the mountains.
                    Just was I was thinking. How long would it take Elipolis to build another galley? It might come in handy.

                    Does their capital still only have one chariot stationed there? If so, it IS a very tempting target..
                    Remember that it will take a while for our units to walk down to GS territory. That will give GS plenty of time to create chariots. The advantage of taking their capital is that is where most or all of their culture is. Taking it would put less cultural pressure on the other cities since its borders would no longer overlap them. With its high culture though it would likely want to flip back. If we take it early we will probably need to raze it. I would like to keep it and take it later.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by HarryH

                      Just was I was thinking. How long would it take Elipolis to build another galley? It might come in handy.
                      Yup - I was working through some ideas last night on this. I will get some firm figures this evening.


                      Remember that it will take a while for our units to walk down to GS territory. That will give GS plenty of time to create chariots. The advantage of taking their capital is that is where most or all of their culture is. Taking it would put less cultural pressure on the other cities since its borders would no longer overlap them. With its high culture though it would likely want to flip back. If we take it early we will probably need to raze it. I would like to keep it and take it later.
                      Agreed.
                      Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.

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                      • #26
                        I am also thinking that we should atke Monsoon sooner than later. It is not a big city - but taking it - and not razing it would have a couple of advantages. First - less gold for GS. Second - it would give us that territory and the road network to use. Mobility is going to be key to us. And where it is situated, the other iron supply should fall within our boundaries when we take it. That will provide some measure of back-up for the current supply.

                        It should be fairly easy to take. With our main force pushing south - three second wave Immortals could do the job.

                        It is still far enough away from their capitol to minimze the chances of cultural conversion. It will also be free of their cultural boundaries as well. And I suspect it will grow to size two any turn now - so we should be able to get it intact.
                        Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.

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                        • #27
                          Won't Monsoon be autorazed when we walk into it?
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                          • #28
                            I think the key is to make sure it is a size 2 - this way it will not autoraze...unless, of course, if they have a temple built there, then it would have cultural points and not be autorazed - even at size 1....but I really doubt that GS would have wasted the energy in building a temple this early in the city's life.

                            Or, we can bring down a settler to resettle the site if we're worried about it being destroyed.
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                            • #29
                              Shiber to GF :

                              With 'they', I meant Vox was spitting in our face, not your team. Please don't rush to conclusions, I didn't mean to say that your team was dishonest; on the contrary - you've proven to be very fair and honest in our past dealings and I really respect you for that.




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                              • #30
                                Yes, this is going to get nastier in the next few days. I can't wait for GoW forces to land in GS territory!
                                (When is GoW going to make their move?)

                                GS is confident that they will wipe us off the face of the map...I wonder how they are planning on going this?
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