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I think that's exactly what you should say Beta - basically that a peace plan with GS is being worked out with GS claiming ALL of Estonia. Let ND think that one over - if ND thought that Vox was a threat, just wait until the gathering storm breaks upon their shores!
____________________________ "One day if I do go to heaven, I'm going to do what every San Franciscan does who goes to heaven - I'll look around and say, 'It ain't bad, but it ain't San Francisco.'" - Herb Caen, 1996 "If God, as they say, is homophobic, I wouldn't worship that God." - Archbishop Desmond Tutu ____________________________
Oh and my above post is what I think you should reply to ND's latest missive....unless someone else has a more "tactfull" way of stating it.
____________________________ "One day if I do go to heaven, I'm going to do what every San Franciscan does who goes to heaven - I'll look around and say, 'It ain't bad, but it ain't San Francisco.'" - Herb Caen, 1996 "If God, as they say, is homophobic, I wouldn't worship that God." - Archbishop Desmond Tutu ____________________________
So - here was my response - I wanted to make the points Witt and I had raised, but not burn any bridges completely, and maybe even guilt them into giving us some cash.
Greetings Borc. It was good to hear from you, but somewhat of a surprise. In fact, we have delayed responding because truthfully, we don't know how to respond. .
Thank you for your offer of assistance but it is much too late. Financial aid, as some provided, or military aid as others provided would have been helpful. We had asked for horses and got no response. You knew we were researching engineering, and instead of buying it from us for a reasonable price as we asked and researching something else - you researched it yourself. That would have helped.
We do thank you for helping maintain the deception prior to the war, but after that, you provided no support either substantially or publicly to our efforts.
A peace deal has been reached with Gathering Storm. They are generous enough to let us dismantle our cities before we move out. But we will be gone from Estonia.
And as one member of Vox put it:
"I think that what we should say is basically that a peace plan with GS is being worked out with GS claiming ALL of Estonia. Let ND think that one over - if ND thought that Vox was a threat, just wait until the gathering storm breaks upon their shores! "
I am afraid he is right. We had a small window of opportunity, we took it, came close, and maybe could have done it with a bit more of a push from all concerned. As it is now - GS will be a force to contend with.
I appreciate that NeuD is in a precarious position on the continent, but Vox's effort had the united support of all. I cannot see where the risk to NeuD would have been. And I am not sure your neutral position will help you in the end, but that is just my opinion.
So - I apologize if my note sounds bitter. It is not intended to be, nor are we bitter. These are just the facts as we see them. Vox has entered a new stage of its existance, one with both challenges and opportunities. We would like to maintain positive relations with the people of NeuDemogyptica, but our past dealings does not provide much of a base to build on. Maybe this can change. Time will tell.
If you can think of ways to help our exodus from Estonia, it WOULD be welcome. You had offered spices, but with a quickly shrinkng population, happiness is not an issue at this time. In the future we may be able to consider such a trade. Cash assistance would be very helpful - as we will be in a period where we will be maintaining a large numer of workers and settlers and a small army but with only one or two cities until we can get settled again. If you would like to help in this regard - please let me know. Even minor contributions would be welcome, including gpt.
We wish you and the members of NeuD well.
Regards .... Beta.
Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.
____________________________ "One day if I do go to heaven, I'm going to do what every San Franciscan does who goes to heaven - I'll look around and say, 'It ain't bad, but it ain't San Francisco.'" - Herb Caen, 1996 "If God, as they say, is homophobic, I wouldn't worship that God." - Archbishop Desmond Tutu ____________________________
From NeuD. I had to look way back for the thread. I'm sure we can work something out. We need cash, or luxuries down the road.
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Hello Beta,
I'm here with some greetings from ND.
I know our relations have seen better days and the last time we wrote notes to each other they were filled with something I'd call bitterness. Something I can well understand since you just lost a war where you hoped that ND could help you more than it did.
Let me tell you once more, we really couldn't assist you more than we did. Not at that time where we had to gather all our resources for the forthcomming war with RP which was planned longe time before your war even started. I hope you can understand now.
But that is not the reason I took this quilt to write you.
The point is, we have knowledge that you research the same thing like we do, it is called Printing Press and it seem s to be a fine thing to have.
Since we are at war we can't efford many resources on Research and belive that you may be better off. Are you interested in a trade? And if you are what would be your conditions?
Greetings from
Darekill
(Ex-Governor Ex-Consul and Ex-Dictator of ND now beeing a simple Ambassador)
Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.
Wow, last time this thread was active was the day I joined Vox.
A trade sounds good to me. Cash is always nice, though I'm not sure we'll need luxuries for a while. We still have a luxury deal with GoW in effect once we activate it. Our cities aren't going to grow very large anyway. A tech deal might be a good option if we can swing it. We are looking for banking, if Lego can't get it to us, so that we can start on democracy right away once printing press is finished.
Has anyone followed up on this yet? I don't know Darekill at all or I would.
Banking would be my first preference, though I still think we should chat with Lego (see the Lego FA thread) before we make an absolute deal for it. If Lego gets us banking we won't need it from ND (assuming they are even researching it or have it already).
We need to find out how far along ND is with PP. If they are close they could complete it and gift it to us and we gift them a tech we research afterwards.
My response to Darekill of today. I am going to suggest 200 gold as 10 gpt, r 160 gold as 8 gpt plus a luxury for 20 turns to be provided at a later date. Everyone oK with this?
Darekill. My apologies. Yes - we can work out a deal for printing press. Cash is preferred. But it does not have to be immediate payment and the cost will be modest. We may also be able to consider a luxury as part payment - but that will have to be delayed for many turns until we have sufficient population for it to be of use. I will get back to you in a couple hours with some proposals.
Again - sorry - the slow pace of play sort of puts our team to sleep.
As to the past - well it is now the past. But you are indeed fighting GS on your shores and not theirs. I had to get that in.
....Beta.
Darekill wrote on 02-11-2003 06:00:
We are waiting..... patiently.... still.
Beta wrote on 24-10-2003 14:36:
Greetings Darekill.
It is good to hear from you again. Yes we are researching printing press, and I believe we can agree to a deal of some sort. We will get back to you shortly.
...Beta.
Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.
____________________________ "One day if I do go to heaven, I'm going to do what every San Franciscan does who goes to heaven - I'll look around and say, 'It ain't bad, but it ain't San Francisco.'" - Herb Caen, 1996 "If God, as they say, is homophobic, I wouldn't worship that God." - Archbishop Desmond Tutu ____________________________
We are happy to trade printing press to you. It will come with a no-trade clause, but a modest price. 200 gold as 10 gold per turn, or 160 gold as 8 gold per turn plus a luxury for 20 turns to commence at a date to be decide upon by Vox. I think you will see this as very reasonable.
We will be finished the technology of the printing press no later than 18 turns from now. The gold per turn payment will commence on the turn after delivery.
Looking forward to hearing from you. Regards ...Beta.
Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.
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