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  • #76
    SO have we given up on a trade with ND?
    If we have lets get to work on RP. Lets also strat working on GoW. maybe we can still get a trade with them.
    "Do not honour the worthy, And the people will not compete. Do not value rare treasures, And people will not steal. Do not display what people want, And the people will not have their hearts confused. A sage governs this way: He empties peoples minds and fills their bellies. He weakens their wills and strengthens their bone. Keep the people always without knowledge and without desires, For then the clever will not dare act. Engage in no action and order will prevail."-Loazi "The Classic of The Way and Its Powers"

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    • #77
      what exactly is the plan.

      You wanted to seel our currency to RP right? not try to get it from them right?

      I'm not sure if you bumped our research up yet that's why I'm asking. We may as well research currency I suspect.

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      • #78
        This is getting messy. And Diss, as you have stated, we need a plan.

        We are currently part way into Polytheism, and can finish it 15 turns, but as the following message from NeuD indicates, they have it already. I'm not usre whether they got it from RP, or maybe Lego. I will send a letter off to Lego shortly.

        So - with NeuD having it, and RP researching or completed it, it doesn't make sense to search it. I get the ominous sense that we are being shut out of the continental trade circuit. Lego may be the key.

        Or we switch to currency, (26 turns) and try and cut a deal with RP, who may have already reached a deal with NeuD. That was the thinking Diss, If you can find out anything from RP, it would be helpful. The last we talked in the chat they were still 20 turns away from completing it. In which case, NeuD may have got poly from GoW from Lego.

        The other option is we pay cash for Polytheism. Offer RP or Neu D 80 gold for it. Completing the research ourselves would cost around 150, so it would be a great deal - and when a few civs get the same tech, the price really drops.

        Here is NeuD's message. Note the 'stay off the continent' clause. (and note they have already passed the save on - the note came in the early morning for me)

        Trade
        So, we have the Save now and i'm going to keep it for at least the next six hours.

        Please tell me what you are interestet to trade. We will put it on the screen.

        Here is what we offer.

        our Map for your map and 20g.
        We can manage contact to legos but it did cost us 50g so we want at least 50g in return.
        we have gained polytheism, philosophy, map making.
        we are researching on currency. slow but we are on our way.
        We can offer a "non agression pact" for 40 turns or less if you promiss not to settle on Borconia. We would in return promisse not to settle in Estonia.
        If you have any questions please contact me.
        Last edited by Beta; March 15, 2003, 09:57.
        Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.

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        • #79
          no deal

          that sucks

          and we ahve already gaven them a tech plus money

          and I bet that they traded literacy for some of that from Lego (Since Lego didn't have literacy, it was the one tech we ahd that they did not)

          Jon Miller
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          • #80
            yah

            this is deffinitely true, ND had everything that GoW had (which was everything we had but Literacy)

            and Lego traded for everything GoW had

            so what left to trade with ND, but literacy

            we just got screwed

            Jon Miller
            Jon Miller-
            I AM.CANADIAN
            GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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            • #81
              yes - would appear so.

              Looks like cash purchases.
              Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Jon Miller
                one of the considerations, is that to me, GoW seems to be the most freindly, while RP and ND seem to be the least freindly

                that is why I would think that ND might be a better target than GoW (I think that RP is too far to be our target)

                Jon Miller
                Agreed!

                Sorry guys, I thought that ND would see the value of an alliance/friendship and that it could be translated into future tech trades. I was mistaken. I guess for a screw-up like this - I will be facing a pay cut.

                Jon and Diss - do you want to start discussions with GoW - or perhaps we should get ourselves established first. Or do you want to see how it plays out?
                Last edited by Beta; March 15, 2003, 19:26.
                Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.

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                • #83
                  That is ok. When I was reading the post, it sounded like there was no strong opposition to giving Lit. for better relations in the future. But it seems like ND just wants to take and never to give. Now we have Poly from GoW.
                  One question. WHat do we research now?
                  "Do not honour the worthy, And the people will not compete. Do not value rare treasures, And people will not steal. Do not display what people want, And the people will not have their hearts confused. A sage governs this way: He empties peoples minds and fills their bellies. He weakens their wills and strengthens their bone. Keep the people always without knowledge and without desires, For then the clever will not dare act. Engage in no action and order will prevail."-Loazi "The Classic of The Way and Its Powers"

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                  • #84
                    Proposed response to NeuD. I am trying to keep talking to them, so they don't think we have crossed, and will delay sending anyone to check it out. On the other hand, this may raise suspicians and prompt them to do so. The other option is we do nothing - which is basically what this letter says anyway. Suggestions?

                    Dear Louis and Darekill, esteemed representatiives of Neu Demogyptica.

                    Greetings from Vox Controli. I apologize for not responding sooner to your earlier letter, or you offers sent via the game save.

                    We are in possession of the technologies you offered. We may be interested in currency, depending on the price and when you will be finished it.

                    Regarding contact with legoland, thank-you, but we will be obtaining contact shortly.

                    We would like to discuss further the idea of the non-aggression pact. Why did you specify 40 turns or less? And why is it contingent upon your stated limitations on expansion? This is not clear to us, and seems threatening in its tone. Can you clarify please.

                    I trust that peace is treating you well, and that your nation prospers.

                    Regards .... BetaHound, VFA, Vox Controli
                    Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.

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                    • #85
                      You are right Beta - Keep the diplomatic talks flowing (ie, stall tactics)...at least until we've settled the new city.
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                      • #86
                        Yes I agree. Let's look like we are considering there deal to stay off there continent. That way it will look like we are still a while away from landing.
                        "Do not honour the worthy, And the people will not compete. Do not value rare treasures, And people will not steal. Do not display what people want, And the people will not have their hearts confused. A sage governs this way: He empties peoples minds and fills their bellies. He weakens their wills and strengthens their bone. Keep the people always without knowledge and without desires, For then the clever will not dare act. Engage in no action and order will prevail."-Loazi "The Classic of The Way and Its Powers"

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                        • #87
                          OK - above letter sent to Darekill of NeuD by PM, exactly as worded.
                          Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.

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                          • #88
                            It appears to me that they had just come off of their 'victory-high' and were looking for someone to intimidate by rattling their sabers and we jumped, but this might work to our benefit in the future yet.
                            Arg-ha Lardgoa

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                            • #89
                              1. keep talking to them about a "deal"
                              2. Keep with plan to settle
                              3. get friends on the continent. (I will be working on this as well)
                              4. get MORE settlers across. It will be easier, and make more sense to the international community if they only have to ask/force one city off "their" continent. Very hard/stupid to aks a civ. to remove 3 to 4 cities off a continent.
                              "Do not honour the worthy, And the people will not compete. Do not value rare treasures, And people will not steal. Do not display what people want, And the people will not have their hearts confused. A sage governs this way: He empties peoples minds and fills their bellies. He weakens their wills and strengthens their bone. Keep the people always without knowledge and without desires, For then the clever will not dare act. Engage in no action and order will prevail."-Loazi "The Classic of The Way and Its Powers"

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                              • #90
                                4. get MORE settlers across. It will be easier, and make more sense to the international community if they only have to ask/force one city off "their" continent. Very hard/stupid to aks a civ. to remove 3 to 4 cities off a continent.
                                Plus it is a lot easier for them to block one city (especially on the hill site) and make it effectively useless for us.

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