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Agreed. But we may need to reconsider our trading alliance.
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What I was proposing is that you broach the three way trading idea (as outlined in my letter to ND) to GoW.
BUT - now I think we need to reconsider, given ND's clear threat to stay off the continent. We may be better getting close to RP who have nothing to fear from us. And that would mean switching to currency and committing them to a trade now. We would then have to deal individually with GoW, and convince them to trade for currency with us and not Neu D - which will probably be ruffling a few feathre even before we get over there.Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.Comment
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I concur, let's try to "snuggle" up to RP instead of ND.
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I just don't like the idea of facing a threat the second we get off the boat. If we make the deal with ND, this essentialy protects us for 20 turns. The amount of time until the trade is complete. by this time we could possibly come to some agreement with ND.
But I am new here, and still know little to nothing about the map and our situation so I will go along with what you say. Just an Idea"Do not honour the worthy, And the people will not compete. Do not value rare treasures, And people will not steal. Do not display what people want, And the people will not have their hearts confused. A sage governs this way: He empties peoples minds and fills their bellies. He weakens their wills and strengthens their bone. Keep the people always without knowledge and without desires, For then the clever will not dare act. Engage in no action and order will prevail."-Loazi "The Classic of The Way and Its Powers"Comment
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Hmmm - understand the points being made here. I agree it would be nice to get off the boat without a fight. My concern is that if we commit to a deal where we give NeuD something now (ie Philosophy), and then expect a later trade that goes in our favour (ie poly for currency and 30 gold), we may not see the second half of the trade. Then again - NeuD seem like a very honorable bunch - but this may push their limit. A lot will depend on whether they see our staying off the continent as a condition for the deal. Hopefully they will not twig to that.
And I am thinking about RP again. If you read the chat, they sure talk and act timid. They refer to the others as 'sharks'. They stayed out of the Lux conflict completely. And they are worried about the middle ages and the uu's of GoW and ND. I'm not sure we can count on them for much. Diss, Jon, what was your take?Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war .... aw, forget that nonsense. Beer, please.Comment
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Moved from the Research Thread
I agree full-heartedly with Beta's comments concerning expanding onto the "continent."
Since ND has made the, well for lack of a better word, "demand" that we stay off the landmass; and we need to expand over to it - Should we:
A. Just ignore and not answer ND's last correspondence concerning this issue...or
B. should we at at least acknowlege their statement and say that we can not commit to that promise?
If we do option "B," it will definately tip our hand that that is exactly what we're planning on doing.
If we choose option "A" and ignore their last "request," this should buy us some time, but they will not be happy to see a Vox city on their landmass - of course, this is also assuming that they would be able to see us when we first "set up house."
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or reply and say we wil
go for alliance with GoW (or GS...)
and go over anyway?
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If jon's is option c, then I go for a or c.
I don't like b as they may rush a unit to the point we plan on landing on.
But if it is going to be c, I don't want to give them philosophy this turn which would be the first part of the previous deal. We now need to get a deal with RP and GoW for tech trades. Otherwise we go another turn with research turned off (essentially - 10%).
One thing to think about - doing the trade with NeuD may actually buy us time and goodwill for the next 20 turns or so which we could use - and we can blather on about this and that and everyone's right to open terrain. With a few cities with walls and immortals, I don't think they will be in much of a position right now to do much about it.
I would rather have that than outright alienate them in the trading arena, and have to face hostility right off the boat as macy has pointed out.
So - I go with Witt's option a, with lots of smooth talking.
Which is really like a.2.
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I go for A. what they don't know can't hurt US."Do not honour the worthy, And the people will not compete. Do not value rare treasures, And people will not steal. Do not display what people want, And the people will not have their hearts confused. A sage governs this way: He empties peoples minds and fills their bellies. He weakens their wills and strengthens their bone. Keep the people always without knowledge and without desires, For then the clever will not dare act. Engage in no action and order will prevail."-Loazi "The Classic of The Way and Its Powers"Comment
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I say we try more diplomacy.
We plead them for the opportunity to at least build one city where we planned it. We let them know how short we are on room.
I'd rather do that than just plop a city down.
And I do not think we can count on RP in any kind of war. We have no alliance as of now. And I doubt they will agree to one- esp. if we cross the continent. The risk of war would be too great for them.
P.S. how did they get the idea that we wanted to expand over there? RP mentioned it as well. How did they know we are planning on expanding over there?Comment
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Well, they might have come upon this realization when they found out that we have neighbors to our south...and now that Lux is no more, there is a big hole where they used to be...
Or GS might have given them the heads-up.
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Did we or did we not let GS know that we are planning to expand across the straight?____________________________
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we did
they suggested it in fact
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(not that we weren't thinking it at the time)
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