Diplomacy: Reports, Instructions, PMs

[Togas]

Ah, the joys of public chat...

This little snippit from a conversation with MasterZen and ZargonX. There's some very useful intel here:

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MasterZen> If my money is intact, I'll be so happy I'll probably make peace with Roleplay
MasterZen> (ok..not)
Togas> we could always give you guys a city or two for peace
MasterZen> how about 5 or 6?
Togas> The only way you'll ever get *1* is if we give it to you.
ZargonX> ooh... nasty time!
MasterZen> ah so you'll gift them all away once we get close?
Togas>
MasterZen> and forfeit the game to GS?
MasterZen> geez, at least give them to Lego..
Togas> Lego were a bunch of *****es (ZargonX excluded)
ZargonX> :P
MasterZen> hahahaha
Togas> Didn't want any cities, were afraid ND would beat their ass.
MasterZen> the Army of The Glory of War will guarantee the security of any city gifted to Lego in our front
Togas> LOL!
ZargonX> that's what I like to hear
MasterZen> and I'm serious.
Togas> Talk to Lego, then.
Togas> Zargon can verify that we offered 'em up to them.
MasterZen> YOU should talk to lego. we already did.
MasterZen> and our offer stands.
MasterZen> I would much rather have Lego get a shot at winning this game than GS
Togas> Vondrack said "sorry, we can't take them .... blah blah blah ...
MasterZen> you should have gifted them TO US then
Togas> hell no
MasterZen> after all, you just didn't want Bilbao razed right?
Togas> you guys get gold if you raze it.
MasterZen> for humaitarian reasons you could have declared the city an open city
MasterZen> gold is the last thing we need right now
ZargonX> Well Togas, situations in this game are always changing...
Togas> we're intentionally being as vicious and spiteful as possible.
MasterZen> sure but in the process giving the game away to the team NOONE wants them to win?
Togas> Lego had their chance...
Trip> scorched earth!
MasterZen> hahaha
MasterZen> anyway, like I said cities gifted to Lego will be respected. I leave both of your teams with that though. CIAO..
* Togas looks to Zargon
MasterZen> (at least on our front :P)
Togas> If your team changes your mind, please let us know
MasterZen> please Zargon, change your mind. Don't give the game away
MasterZen> GS with a foothold on Bob...
Trip> hahahahaaaaaaaaaa
MasterZen> plus, Bilbao with sea access.... DAMN YOU ROLEPLAY! (one more reason for wiping ye out)

And this little bit immediately after:

ZargonX> Togas, if the offer is indeed serious, I will take it to the team once again
ZargonX> as I said, situations have changed, and they may be of a different mind, now
Togas> Let me know if you guys change your mind.
ZargonX> democracy is fun, isn't it
Togas> We went to you FIRST with the offer
ZargonX> Yes, and I personally appreciate that
Togas> GS was, basiclly, plan B
ZargonX> well, your plan B seems to have thrown the world into a good bit of disarray
Togas>
ZargonX> I think the situation you've created may make working with the agreement that stopped us in the first place a little easier...
ZargonX> I, for one, am always open for negotiation
Togas> if you guys change your policy, we'll be here
Togas> we RP guys are always online somewhere
ZargonX> Let me do some talking to the boys, as it were

[Arnelos]

I agree, very interesting... won't GoW be surprised to see hordes of GS troops marching on them

[Arnelos]

From Shiber:

Hi Arnelos,

Hasty semi-personal, semi-official message follows:

GS would really really appreciate it if you would try to quiet down the issue of city exchanges in the public forum. We can meet up later and discuss this amongst ourselves, and decide what to make public, but let's not do anything hasty. I understand your frustration in light of the other comments in that thread, but please keep it bottled up for now.

Btw, I'm taking this opportunity to request another joint GS-RP chat when RP gets the turn. We have lots of news, and some new ideas. Please prepare your new battlefield screenshots (annoted, if possible).

Best regards,
Shiber.

[Arnelos]

My response to Shiber:

Shiber,

I've only stated in the public forum what was planned ahead of time for public consumption. The problem is that if I'd said NOTHING, GoW would get highly suspicious because it's out of character for me. So I had to say something, but something they would both likely believe and something that would not give away the true nature of the GS-RP agreement.

I did discuss this with NYE last turn, the fact that we'd need a cover story for the city exchange. We're also going to need a cover story for the "brief war", should it Lego and/or Vox notice (though they might not).

I want your forces' arrival on Bob and deployment into the battle to a surprise as much as you do. This is why only pre-planned statements have been asked to be made by RP members.

However, I must warn you that apparently GodKing, of his own accord, told Unortho and MZ in chat that we'd received tech and some money from GS in exchange for the cities. He made sure to mention that GS was insistent on not breaking any NT agreements with GoW, however. I would normally be concerned that this lie would complicate our otherwise straight story to GoW and ND, but it's apparent that GoW has completely bought GodKing's version as truth. So I guess we'll have to work around that.

On your end, OPD told me that Arrian (I think) sent a PM to ND. When we asked NYE about it, he said the PM specifically was written to ENCOURAGE ND to declare war on GS for happiness reasons. While this is good for GS on the happiness front, it would have been nice if we'd known about that PM ahead of time. I might be wrong here, but we were under the impression that the joint hope was that ND would bypass the cities so they couldn't be used as forward military bases in the war (since roads around those cities are now speeding the movement of Ansar Warriors).

It sounds like we need to try to coordinate what we're telling ND and GoW in the near future to prevent further misunderstandings.

As for the save, it has arrived.

[History Guy]

GodKing did this? Hmmmm...now that's something I didn't know... (reaches for tar barrel and feather bag)

[GodKing]

Sorry if it caused any problems... I posted it in its own thread here when poly let me.

If necessary, I have no problem writing a note to GS appologizing. Just PM me (I don't check this page that often) and I will do so.

GK

[History Guy]

That's OK. I'm kidding. I don't think it causes too much of a problem.

At least, I hope it doesn't...

[Arnelos]

GK, honestly I don't think you did much harm.

In fact... it seems that GoW finds your story the more believable

[Arnelos]

My Chat with NYE about a number of things this evening:

PART ONE

Session Start: Thu Jul 24 00:09:42 2003
Session Ident: Arnelos
[00:09] nye> hi
[00:09] Arnelos> hey
[00:10] nye> i just read your reply to shiber
[00:10] Arnelos> ah
[00:10] nye> we do need to talk more
[00:10] Arnelos> ok
[00:10] nye> coordinate
[00:10] Arnelos> right
[00:11] nye> i think i gave a innaccurate picture
[00:11] Arnelos> such as?
[00:11] nye> we didn't so much provoke nd into attacking as expect them to, and not discourage that
[00:11] nye> i will let you judge
[00:11] nye> one moment
[00:12] nye> the full pm sent to borc
[00:13] nye> Due to recent events, Gathering Storm has had to make some very difficult decisions lately.
[00:13] nye> .
[00:13] nye> We are sad to have come to this, but we are afraid that cooperation in the matter of your war against RP between our two fine nations does not seem possible.
[00:13] nye> .
[00:13] nye> We believe that our minimal claims for strategic land on Bob were legitimate, but since our concerns were ignored by your representatives, we have decided to switch sides in this conflict. We are informing you of this change ahead of the time that you will receive the save in the spirit of good manners and sportsmanship.
[00:13] nye> .
[00:14] nye> When you take a look at the save, you will notice that the city of Santiago has changed ownership, and its gates now sport Gathering Storm banners. We have promised some limited help to RP in their struggle for survival, and there is yet more to come.
[00:14] nye> .
[00:14] nye> We understand that these new steps may mean that a state of war between our two nations will become inevitable, and we are ready to face the consequences. But please, let us not allow any in-game wars to cloud our personal relations. Let us not hate, let us fight if we must, and share a drink in Valhalla, together.
[00:14] nye> .
[00:14] nye> that was it.
[00:15] Arnelos> interesting
[00:15] nye> inflaming?
[00:15] Arnelos> For ND, yes
[00:15] nye> really?
[00:16] nye> ok
[00:16] nye> we did not mind that they dow
[00:16] Arnelos> From what little experience we've had with them, what we can surmise is that they don't take things like this well
[00:16] Arnelos> Of course, getting them to Declare was indeed good in some ways
[00:16] nye> gow was making noises about 'consequences' if we did it to them
[00:16] Arnelos> "consequences" - like what?
[00:16] nye> we received from them...
[00:17] nye> hint at dow on us
[00:17] Arnelos> woopdie doo
[00:17] nye> if we dow on nd
[00:17] Arnelos> GoW already hates you guys
[00:17] Arnelos> a declaration would only make it official
[00:17] nye> it would be much cleaner if we can send all available troops west
[00:17] Arnelos> true
[00:17] nye> hate us?
[00:17] Arnelos> YES
[00:17] nye> example?
[00:18] Arnelos> They loathe GS as much if not more than RP... the difference is that they fear GS
[00:18] nye> i would imagine we have some entries in the grudge ledger
[00:18] nye> they hate boy scouts?
[00:18] nye>
[00:18] Arnelos> I don't know if Togas was recording the other night in the isdg chat... perhaps he has a log, I didn't bother to take one... but MZ was half toying/half imporing with us not to help GS... because "NO-ONE wants them to win the game!"
[00:19] nye> heh
[00:19] nye> ok
[00:19] nye> i can understand that
[00:19] Arnelos> GoW, in general, still seems bitter over the Vox War junk
[00:19] Arnelos> they really really really don't want GS to win if they have to lose
[00:19] nye> why ever in the world would they be that attached?
[00:19] Arnelos> We might ask the same question concerning ourselves...
[00:19] nye> to vox war
[00:20] nye> true
[00:20] Arnelos> GoW, in general, seems more lead by emotion than most teams
[00:20] nye> it seems to me that the louder gow yells about rp misdeeds, the more apparent it is that they are pot, ketle, black
[00:20] Arnelos> They have grudges primarily against our two teams, not really much against ND or Lego. They downright like Vox.
[00:20] nye> and the one yelling is a deeper shade of black
[00:21] nye> we received many reports, from all over, abour who was scheming for our demise and propping vox up
[00:22] Arnelos> I wasn't around for that, mind you
[00:22] Arnelos> I know only what I've heard
[00:22] nye> vox never got all that upgrade gold from 0 research
[00:23] Arnelos> but the impression I get is that while Beta and Vox personally don't have anything against us, they really don't like how RP didn't really help them (sorta like some on our team concerning Lego)
[00:23] nye> ahh
[00:23] Arnelos> Vox and GoW, on the other hand, get along quite well, despite the GoW backstab
[00:23] nye> we figure there were 2 civs in on propping vox up
[00:23] Arnelos> GoW was definately #1
[00:24] nye> it would help to know how much rp did lend
[00:24] Arnelos> they were also the ones apparently trying to get others to help Vox
[00:24] nye> there are no hard feelings here, btw
[00:24] nye> it was the smart thing to do at that time
[00:24] Arnelos> NYE - what I know is that we never sent any money to Vox... beyond that, I wasn't there and I don't know
[00:24] nye> what wrinkled our shorts were some of the threads
[00:25] nye> ok
[00:25] nye> aidun is one of yours, yes?
[00:25] Arnelos> I do know that the version of the story I've heard places GoW as the ones organizing support for Vox and others not committing much
[00:25] Arnelos> yes, Aidun is ours
[00:26] nye> ok. btw, many on gs will want to talk more with some on rp about those issues. more out of curiosity
[00:26] nye> aidun is a good example
[00:26] Arnelos> how so?
[00:27] nye> during beta's threads, where he was posing as the vox MoInformation ala Iraq
[00:27] nye> ie, i am lying and this is for fun
[00:27] Arnelos> right
[00:27] nye> people thought that we were lying???!?
[00:27] nye> aidun thought so.
[00:27] nye> he said so
[00:27] Arnelos> lol
[00:27] nye> in chat
[00:28] nye> i told him where to get off, in short words
[00:28] Arnelos> the first casualty of war is the truth
[00:28] nye> heh
[00:28] nye> but, you see. to many on gs
[00:28] nye> that stuff...
[00:28] nye> went too far
[00:28] Arnelos> I wasn't around for it... you'll have to tell me what happened from your perspective
[00:29] nye> well,
[00:29] nye> senior members of gow, rp, lego...
[00:30] nye> all posted supporting vox, when they were trying to weasel out of the consequences of their own back stab
[00:30] nye> beta posted details of a peace proposal that had been discussed 10 or more turns previously
[00:30] nye> prior to our destrying much of their army, and outflanking their positions
[00:31] nye> so, then they wailed for peace, on their terms
[00:31] Arnelos> right
[00:31] Arnelos> THAT part I have heard
[00:31] nye> and people believed that we were the bad guys for saying 'no', that was no longer good enough
[00:31] Arnelos> right
[00:31] nye> and togas, mz, vondrack...
[00:32] nye> were seeming to agree with them
[00:32] nye> and then the bomb...
[00:32] nye> the bomb was that beta had prepared that thread in consultation with the leaders of those other teams who posted in the thread supporting him
[00:32] Arnelos> I'm sure
[00:32] nye> so, they all knew it was coming before we ever saw it
[00:33] Arnelos> right
[00:33] nye> many on gs wanted to quit right there on the spot
[00:33] Arnelos> wow
[00:33] nye> sdome have not returnedf
[00:33] nye> what would you do?
[00:33] Arnelos> it sounds like the other civs just wanted to do what they could to encourage a settled end to the war
[00:33] nye> the game was being played on our reputations
[00:33] nye> not on the results on the map
[00:34] nye> if anything, that thread resulted in voc totally leaving stormia, or being extinguished
[00:34] Arnelos> hmmm
[00:34] nye> we would have accepted no other outcome after that
[00:34] Arnelos> right
[00:34] nye> before it, we could have left them in the north if we gained a key city
[00:35] nye> elipolis
[00:35] nye> which beta did not want to give up
[00:35] nye> so the thread
[00:35] nye> and during the coursee of it, we were rightfully enraged
[00:35] nye> it was head games. pure and simple
[00:35] Arnelos> So here's the question... if the other civs had done a "Congress of Europe" style meeting with you guys, would you have accepted a jointly agreed upon outcome where you got Elipolis and the war was settled?
[00:36] Arnelos> where the implication exists that if you didn't settle, it meant world war on GS?
[00:36] nye> no
[00:36] Arnelos> because it sounds like that was their aim
[00:36] Arnelos> though it wouldn't work
[00:36] nye> we would have destoryed any forces that landed on stormia
[00:36] nye> we were well able to
[00:37] nye> and we would have picked one civ and totalled them before any joint action could be mounted. most likely
[00:37] Arnelos> perhaps
[00:37] nye> but that did not happen
[00:38] Arnelos> right
[00:38] nye> what did happen, is that the head games were very unhealthy for one, target team
[00:38] nye> and no other team should ever be subjected to such crap
[00:39] Arnelos> the thing is... the other civs had a concrete interest in not allowing GS to get stronger if they could avoid it. That they shielded this interest in "helping Vox survive/live" is not terribly surprising to me.
[00:39] nye> np.
[00:39] nye> but the weasel words. accusations of us lying
[00:39] nye> given the views of many on gs about honour and such
[00:39] Arnelos> right
[00:39] nye> it nearly drove us berzerk
[00:39] Arnelos> I'm sure
[00:40] nye> we were looking at where the galleys could get, how fast, and how much damage we could do quickly
[00:40] Arnelos> The thing is... no amount of reputation building will protect you from the fear of hegemony which all other civs will have of any growing hegemon.
[00:40] nye> we were po'd very much
[00:40] nye> np
[00:41] Arnelos> You could be the most honorable guys on the planet, but they'll STILL dislike you for being powerful
[00:41] Arnelos> Hegemons are never loved
[00:41] nye> what it boils down to, arne, is that the threads got personal for a team
[00:41] nye> the targets
[00:41] Arnelos> right
[00:41] nye> and that was not good
[00:41] Arnelos> I can see how it would upset you BEYOND the game, however
[00:41] Arnelos> that can get ugly
[00:41] nye> because the targets were slandered on the point they were most sensitive to
[00:41] Arnelos> right
[00:41] nye> honour
[00:42] nye> as i said, aidun believed beta
[00:42] nye> because togas supported him, no doubt
[00:42] Arnelos> I guess he did
[00:42] Arnelos> well... Togas didn't REALLY support him, it sounds like
[00:42] Arnelos> from the version I've heard
[00:43] nye> maybe it is subject to interpretation.
[00:43] nye> i suggest you look it up. it is not that long ago
[00:43] Arnelos> The version I've heard is that RP Team was trying to have it both ways, it sounds like. Togas "publicly supported" Vox and RP attended the joint chats, but no actual aid was sent because the perception was that it:
[00:43] Arnelos> 1 - wouldn't matter
[00:43] Arnelos> 2 - would be a waste
[00:44] Arnelos> 3 - would just further enrage GS... which we might need later
[00:44] nye> well, i am talking about that one thread, not the whole war
[00:44] Arnelos> right
[00:44] Arnelos> I don't know about that
[00:44] nye> and, this is a long way from nd and rp
[00:44] nye> nd sent us...
[00:44] Arnelos> knowing Togas, however... he participated on the offchance it might lead to a peaceful settlement to the war... which was in RP's interests

[Arnelos]

PART TWO

(starts with NYE posting the contents of a PM from Borc to Shiber)

[00:45] nye> The Santiago Incident
[00:45] nye> .
[00:45] nye> Hi Shiber.
[00:45] nye> .
[00:45] nye> Next turn you will find Santiago is in our Hands. This does not need to mean war.
[00:45] nye> We can give you back what you payed Spain for it. Let us remain reasonable. The citys on Borconia will be poisoned for you in the form of corruption.
[00:45] nye> .
[00:45] nye> The strategical insurrance for GS against an Invasion from us is not necessary. We are ready to give you a MPP in case GoW should try something stupid.
[00:45] nye> .
[00:45] nye> You have a big continent all for you alone. I understand it if you tell us you want to conquer Borconia and want to start an invasion anyway. O.K. then we can't do anything to stop you but this war against RP has nothing to do with you. Please stay out of it.
[00:45] nye> .
[00:46] nye> comments?
[00:46] Arnelos> interesting
[00:46] nye> you know them better than we
[00:46] Arnelos> They're spooked, that's my take on it
[00:46] Arnelos> They know GoW eventually plans to backstab them... they've been betting on the same thing GoW has... damage RP first
[00:47] Arnelos> if GS gets involved, it messes things up
[00:47] Arnelos> the other thing about ND...
[00:47] Arnelos> they seem to have a very big emphasis on "fair" distribution of land... that's why they've been after RP since the start
[00:48] nye> why then did they sink any hope of us ever joining them against rp, by being greedt about land?
[00:49] Arnelos> The way ND sees it, Western Spain is, in "fairness", THEIR land
[00:49] nye> they wanted to have us help kill rp, and get no cities from it
[00:49] Arnelos> land that Spain arrogantly claimed for itself near the start of the game and prevented ND from entering via an MPP with Lux
[00:49] nye> strange
[00:49] nye> ahhh
[00:49] nye> The ghost of Lux, once again
[00:50] Arnelos> so when YOU claimed the cities... it didn't help
[00:50] Arnelos> they want the CITIES
[00:50] nye> they did not want to see us have the cities togas would have agreed to give us in a heart beat
[00:50] nye> the east coast
[00:50] Arnelos> The way they must see it is that GS is being as arrogant as RP was to claim those cities, closer to ND's original capital than RP's and certainly than GS'.... the emphasis on corruption is part of this
[00:51] Arnelos> as for the EAST coast... I don't konw
[00:51] Arnelos> It's probably that they think you guys are "big enough already"
[00:51] Arnelos> you don't need more land
[00:51] nye> the east coast is closer to EotS than nd cap. or very close
[00:52] Arnelos> Our impression of ND is that they place a very large emphasis upon an "equitable" disribution of land... meaning ND must have as much land as anyone else
[00:52] Arnelos> If ND does not have as much land as another Civ, ND must take more land until they are equal.
[00:53] Arnelos> THAT part is reasonable
[00:54] Arnelos> So the idea of GS, the "largest civ" claiming even MORE land is anathema to them. They simply can't allow it.
[00:54] Arnelos> However, they'd rather not fight you guys if they can avoid it, of course
[00:54] nye> well. they sealed their fate in one chat
[00:55] nye> when we heard from you shortly after...
[00:55] Arnelos> right, when they wouldn't negotiate where you could have any of Bob
[00:55] nye> yes. they demonstrated that we could not coexist
[00:56] nye> gow would still like to ressurect those discussions
[00:56] nye> but, it is too late
[00:56] Arnelos> GoW is only now willing to resurrect that because they are AFRAID of you
[00:57] nye> yeah
[00:57] nye> of course
[00:57] nye> they don;t want us involved
[00:57] nye> they do not dare dow, cause they have land and cities 2 tiles from stormia
[00:57] Arnelos> GoW's primary interest in this war is as much emotional as rational... they want RP Team out of the running. They also want RP Team damaged before they take on ND, even though RP was willing to HELP with fighting ND.
[00:58] nye> i can see that in the threads
[00:58] Arnelos> part of it is an internal division inside GoW
[00:58] nye> bob must have been a hostile place those many years ago
[00:59] nye> it is now, too. sorry
[00:59] nye> internal division?
[00:59] Arnelos> The place where GoW-RP relations went sour was a very long spat between Togas and GhengisFarb... they were enough pissed at each other before Panzer32 threw gasoline on the fire... things have been tense ever since
[00:59] nye> what did panzer do?
[01:00] Arnelos> Unorthodox is far more rational than most of his team... he believes his team is walking into more than they can chew off... he's the one I worry about realizing what is really up
[01:00] nye> i agree re UnO
[01:00] nye> message from UnO
[01:00] Arnelos> Uno was the one who came to us and offered an offensive alliance against ND
[01:01] nye> when?
[01:01] Arnelos> we're sure part of it was just role-playing good cop/bad cop, but I also believe Uno is actually worried... no-one else in GoW was even slightly worried until those cities went to GS
[01:02] Arnelos> when? I don't remember... was probably around the same time GS wouldn't help or before that...
[01:02] nye> mesage from UnO
[01:02] nye> News from GoW
[01:02] nye> Greetings zeit, nye,
[01:02] nye> .
[01:02] nye> Im afraid that I have some unfortunate news. My home computer is suffering from some malady or another, and it has cost me all internet access for some time. I will be unable to chat until such things are fixed, however.
[01:02] nye> .
[01:03] nye> In the meantime please talk to Master Zen or Panzer32 if you need to communicate through chat.
[01:03] nye> .
[01:03] Arnelos> Uno *told us* that he believed GoW was committing suicide with this war... that the obvious move was to attack ND, not RP Team. He's right, of course, but the question is whether he was at least partially just playing a role.
[01:03] nye> .
[01:03] nye> It is our understanding that ND has declared war and taken Santiago despite our resistance to such an idea. While we can understand how and why they came to that decision, our intention is to remain neutral during whatever future conflicts arise between ND and GS.
[01:03] nye> .
[01:03] nye> This being said, we wish to somehow come to an arrangement that would be mutually beneficial to both our teams. I don't see that our respective positions need to hamper such a thing from comming to pass at present.
[01:03] nye> .
[01:04] nye> I have several ideas, and am polling our forum at present to get a feel on how the team will react. That being said, I must ask, is GS devoted to keeping RP in the game? What are your goals in this conflict? Perhaps there is a solution to be had by concluding our current contract as swiftly as possible, allowing us to work on a different one, perhaps?
[01:04] nye> .
[01:09] Arnelos> when your forces arrive... will you attack GoW if they keep heading south?
[01:10] nye> we will attack if they violate our cultural borders
[01:10] nye> we cannot have 14 riders running around your rear
[01:11] Arnelos> right
[01:11] nye> thgat is why bilbao is so important. it is the northern block
[01:12] Arnelos> hmm... when GoW realizes what is up, let us hope they attack ND
[01:12] nye> we hope so
[01:12] Arnelos> that would help a lot
[01:12] nye> they have demanded access to bilbao's area
[01:12] nye> we will say no
[01:12] Arnelos> right
[01:12] nye> that will be the trail by fire
[01:12] nye> trial
[01:12] Arnelos> I got your meaning
[01:12] nye> if they do not attack they never will as far as can be seen
[01:14] nye> have you had any official contact with gow or nd since the invasion stack turn?
[01:15] Arnelos> no
[01:15] Arnelos> only the chats in the ISDGFAM channel
[01:15] Arnelos> with MZ
[01:16] Arnelos> where war-related stuff is mentioned... but it's really only each side trying to mine the other for information and nothing really being shared
[01:17] nye> what were nd's demands? did you ever find out?
[01:18] Arnelos> ND never demanded anything
[01:18] Arnelos> nothing was ever sent other than a private apology for lying to us about planning to attack us
[01:19] Arnelos> and letting us know it wasn't personal
[01:19] Arnelos> They want our land, we know that
[01:20] nye> ahh. they are not all bad. just no finesse
[01:20] nye> btw, any thoughts? advice?
[01:21] Arnelos> Just do what you can that you think will get GoW to attack ND
[01:21] Arnelos> that's the bottom line
[01:21] Arnelos> if we can put off the GoW problem for a while, that would help
[01:26] nye> will do. that is our plan
[01:36] Arnelos> my machine crashed, lost the log
[01:36] Arnelos> you have one?
[01:39] nye> yes
[01:39] nye> you want me to send?
[01:39] Arnelos> please
[01:40] nye> be back in a sec
Session Close: Thu Jul 24 01:40:17 200

[Nuclear Winter]

Talk I had in Legoland´s room, I told them they had forgot their password and they told me to to go there and caht with tehm a bit , a non-oficial just-for-fun talk. MRmitchell joined teh fray later.. nothing really important, but the only bits of disinfo true here are what togas told me to say

Session Start: Thu Jul 24 17:41:17 2003
Session Ident: #legoland
* Now talking in #legoland
-vondrack> hello
-NuclearisWinterius> Spannish Invasion of LEgoland!!!GRAA
-NuclearisWinterius> j/k
-NuclearisWinterius> heya ll
-NuclearisWinterius> Redddie invited me
-Kloreep> Hi
-redstar1> hey
-redstar1> trei tequila por favor
-redstar1>
-vondrack> beer for me, please
-redstar1> so hows madrid?
-NuclearisWinterius> 4All said here represents nothing but teh mad ramblings of a crazy spaniard, this freak holds no position in rp and thus speaks not for the team
-vondrack> understood
-vondrack> ramble on
-NuclearisWinterius> Tree tequillas, Señor?
-NuclearisWinterius> Si señor!
* NuclearisWinterius throws 3 tequillas for redstar
-redstar1> hehe cheers!
-NuclearisWinterius> Señor Vondracko, Eo believo que sú nacion must have better beer than mine
-vondrack> LOL
-vondrack> true ))
-redstar1> san miguel!
-NuclearisWinterius> Spaniglsih
-redstar1> theres the most fantastic spanish restaurant here
-NuclearisWinterius> San Dyego!!!
-NuclearisWinterius> Here were?
-NuclearisWinterius> In legoland?
-redstar1> belfast
-redstar1> no
-redstar1> lol
-NuclearisWinterius> You live in belfast? Cool!!! SO they Exist!!
-redstar1> who exist?
-NuclearisWinterius> Oh He Who Lives In Belfast!!! Bring Me A Cup of Black Beer Please
-redstar1> ewww
-redstar1> nasty stuff
-NuclearisWinterius> RP has an agen.. err a friend near your operational position (home) right now
-NuclearisWinterius> Aidun, he is out for hiking in Ireland
-redstar1> ahhhh
-redstar1> nice weather for it
-NuclearisWinterius> Hey somebody, bring me some blockbeef, or backed block, or even fried Blocksticks!!
-redstar1> ???
-NuclearisWinterius> Food legoman eat, eh?
-NuclearisWinterius> I give you Tequilla and you give me Legofood, right?
-redstar1> oh i see
-redstar1> lol
-Kloreep> Maybe afterwards we can play some Blockball. I recovered from my hernia from the last match this week, so I'm good to go.
-redstar1> hehehe
-NuclearisWinterius> Something usefull for you legoman to know, right click over the text screen of any room, registered or not and click on the option ´´Secret´´ to make the room secret, and choose a key also if you feel like (not now, or I´d see teh password, though you could practice with a fake)
-NuclearisWinterius> Blockball!!!
-Kloreep> NW: Yes, redstar set a password just after you left, but he took it off again so you could visit.
-NuclearisWinterius> Right now in Spain we´ve cut down sports for a bit... the government required the waterfalls we use for Waterfall-forced-diving to throw dead Arabs in tehm
-NuclearisWinterius> Okee Dokee, just some friendly hints here
-vondrack> this room is usually well protected (access list) - but the Poly IRC server crashes so often that it no longer is worth recreating the security...
-NuclearisWinterius> yeah, I can see teh machineguns dropped around
-NuclearisWinterius> heh now that´s a nice anti-tank gun!
-redstar1> lol
-NuclearisWinterius> no no I don´t want to see how it works... No please vondrack, turn it the other way... THE OTHER WAY!!! FOr GOD`s SAKE!!! AHHHH
-NuclearisWinterius> hehe
-NuclearisWinterius> Silent legos...
-redstar1> we're building...
* redstar1 gives NuclearisWinterius a few blocks...
-redstar1> we need a temple
* NuclearisWinterius starts roleplaying teh blocks
-NuclearisWinterius> I am a block
-redstar1> feel free to use your artistic licence
-NuclearisWinterius> I cannot speak
-NuclearisWinterius> I don´t have an artistic license, mr, were can I get one?
-NuclearisWinterius> Ah, BTW, togas and teh RP tema told me to send you a ´´Hey guys, wazzup?´´ to you all
-Kloreep> Careful, NW; if you seem dead around here, you'll be carted away to be part of that new Library over there.
-NuclearisWinterius> hehhehe
-NuclearisWinterius> So you don´t bury your dead, jsut builçd over tehm?
-redstar1> you aint smelt the pyramids then....
-NuclearisWinterius>
-NuclearisWinterius> Oh my Sweet god, that´s an undead library!!!
-Kloreep> Quite dead, actually.
-NuclearisWinterius> hehehe
-NuclearisWinterius> btw legomen, you are all evil!
-Kloreep> Yeah, it's a quite efficient use of the dead, and a great way to honor them too. The only downside is the smell. That's a major project for our scientists right now.
-NuclearisWinterius> Why didn´t you accept our gift?
-redstar1> gift?
-Kloreep> Evil? I beg your pardon? ;p
-NuclearisWinterius> the cities back then
-redstar1> oh the cities
-redstar1> i beleived we were concerned about the response from your neighbours
-NuclearisWinterius> non-oficial talk, just a puzzled spaniard and yadda yadda yadda
-Kloreep> It would be violating a treaty, too.
-NuclearisWinterius> ;(
-NuclearisWinterius> We were forced to gift them to heathens
* mrmitchell has joined #legoland
-redstar1> we noticed
-redstar1> feel free to offer any more gifts you might have laying about
-NuclearisWinterius> hey you, watch out!
-NuclearisWinterius> if god´s on our side we won´t need to ceede anything more
-redstar1> thats good
-NuclearisWinterius> now it is officially a spanish invasion
-redstar1> god good with a bow then?
-NuclearisWinterius> better, god good with a sword
-NuclearisWinterius> he even borrowed us his sling!
-redstar1> good stuff
-Kloreep> So his arm is feeling better then? j/k
-NuclearisWinterius> I guess so
* NuclearisWinterius notices he hasn´t refilled the Legos´s cups of tequilla
-NuclearisWinterius> pardon me!
* ZargonX has joined #legoland
* NuclearisWinterius refills the cups of tequilla
-NuclearisWinterius> Hey ZargonX
-ZargonX> whoa... party in here!
-NuclearisWinterius> me and mrmitchell bailed off of RP
-ZargonX> sweet
-ZargonX> welcome to the builders
-NuclearisWinterius> We are now a neutral party
-NuclearisWinterius> Joke
-NuclearisWinterius> Don´t talk secret stuff
-NuclearisWinterius> We are not
-ZargonX> oh, so I shouldn't mention the floating fortress?
-NuclearisWinterius> We were invited here to talk and party in legos maior
* mrmitchell has quit IRC (Quit: )
-Kloreep> Yeah, don't talk about the ICBM project Zargon.
-ZargonX> check
* mrmitchell has joined #legoland
-NuclearisWinterius> ICBM ha, Our words are backed by Nuclear Winter
-ZargonX> nice
-redstar1> the intercontinental banana machine?
-NuclearisWinterius> InterContinentalBuildingMAchine
-Kloreep> Err, yeah, building, right.
-NuclearisWinterius> It cna build a library anywhere in the world, in no time!
-ZargonX> we launch it into space, and then it drops libraries on other people's cities
-ZargonX>
* Kloreep whispers "Psst, Zargon, he knows too much. We'll have to kill him."
-Kloreep>
-mrmitchell> all the tabemono guys are on lego
-ZargonX> I'll take care of him...
* ZargonX slaps NuclearisWinterius around. What are you gonna do about it?
-mrmitchell> all the sunshine guys are on roleplay
-mrmitchell> (just random rambling)
-Kloreep> Actually, I was looking at the Tabemono membership, and Legos are only a minority of Tabemono.
-NuclearisWinterius> Don´t slap me... ;(
* NuclearisWinterius threatens Legoland with a small-5year old child
-ZargonX> yeah, Tabemono has a good mix
-NuclearisWinterius> MwahMwahMwah
-NuclearisWinterius> I was forced into sunshine!
-Kloreep> Yep, most of the PTWDG teams are represented in Tabemono.
-ZargonX> everyone but ND, I think
-NuclearisWinterius> ND is evil!
-NuclearisWinterius> They are.. *NW whispers*Krauts...
-mrmitchell> Lux isn't are they?
-NuclearisWinterius> Lux is past
-mrmitchell> hey, ND isn't evil, glory of wuss is
-Kloreep> True, I don't think we have a Lux on Tabemono.
-NuclearisWinterius> They are both evil
-NuclearisWinterius> and GS is the ringleader
-NuclearisWinterius> eh I mean our righteous savers
-NuclearisWinterius>
-ZargonX> True... no luxes... but, they are the past
-NuclearisWinterius> ALrilalaririlalarilarilarilarira
-NuclearisWinterius> I give a candy to anyone who finds out what is this song I sung
-NuclearisWinterius> 4 Kloreep,vondrack and redstar, OP ZargonX!!!
-ZargonX> yes, let me be in the club!
* Retrieving #legoland info...
-mrmitchell> ooh, voice us, too
* Kloreep sets mode: +o ZargonX
-mrmitchell> we're diplomats from a friendly land
* NuclearisWinterius changes topic to 'Spain Invades LegoLand!!!'
* NuclearisWinterius changes topic to 'Spain Invades LegoLand!!!Proverbially!!!|MAdre Teresa sighted nearby Madrid!'
-mrmitchell> sssh!
-mrmitchell> they aren't supposed to know that right now!
-Kloreep> Well, I suppose you have diplomatic immunity from moderation then.
* mrmitchell changes topic to 'Legoland'
* Kloreep sets mode: +vv mrmitchell NuclearisWinterius
-NuclearisWinterius> eh, hmm, sorry
-ZargonX> it's all fun and games till we drop a library on you from space :P
-mrmitchell> lol
* NuclearisWinterius changes topic to 'Legoland - Our words are backed by Libraries!!!'
-Kloreep> Uber's the only one who recognized the danger...
* NuclearisWinterius changes topic to 'Legoland - Our words are backed by FLying Libraries!!!'
-Kloreep> Now it's too late. We are moving Library-launching satellites into position even as we speak.
-ZargonX> brb
-mrmitchell> topic #legoland Breaking News: Legoland Detains, Arrests Topicwarring Diplomat
-NuclearisWinterius> *Darth Vader-like voice*Begin Operations when ready... Literate BOB!
* NuclearisWinterius changes topic to 'Nuclear Winter and Mrmitchrell arrested at LEgoland; punishment scheduled at 12am at the chopping blocks'
-NuclearisWinterius> I guess I´ll leave folks
-NuclearisWinterius> let you discuss important matters
* NuclearisWinterius changes topic to 'Legoland Team - GO Legos!!!'
-vondrack> ok, take care
-Kloreep> Okay, bye!
* NuclearisWinterius slaps mrmitchell around a bit with a large trout
-NuclearisWinterius> thx
-NuclearisWinterius> Elts go mitchell
* NuclearisWinterius slaps mrmitchell around a bit with a large trout
* NuclearisWinterius slaps mrmitchell around a bit with a large trout
-mrmitchell> no, thats not the plan
-mrmitchell> you leave and i act like zargon
-mrmitchell> er
-mrmitchell> damn
-NuclearisWinterius> mwahmwahmwah
-NuclearisWinterius> let´s go!
-NuclearisWinterius> BYEEEEE!!!
* NuclearisWinterius paradrops form plane
Session Close: Thu Jul 24 18:27:38 2003

[History Guy]

Theseus sent this:

To Him, who from evil is able to bring forth good, I render thanks for having mercifully inspired you to extend to me your blessing and your banner.

I am but a military man, Holiness, and must with all humility cry out my unsuitability for the vaulted position of Cardinal of Egypt.

Within your beneficience, I would instead extend upon my role as Paladin of the Order of St. Michael... I propose to create a Knights Templar, dedicated to the corporeal health of the Holy Church and its ministrators, and guide and protector to those in the world who may wish to explore the beauties of Spanish churches and cathedrals.

Until all threats are removed, praised be to God and his son the Lord Jesus, all of the Knights Templar shall take vows of poverty, humitility, and abstinence; we shall live together in martial training and in prayer until all are safe. Ecce quam bonum et quam jocundum habitare fratres in unum - Behold how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity.

Already, there has been eggregious loss for the God-fearing folk of Spain. We Knights Templar shall ensure that the heathens make fitting reparation for the losses and wrongs inflicted upon the Church: while my kin and brethren may put down a heavy boot upon seized lands, know that in my heart all of the territory taken shall be under apostolic suzerainty.

I fear, Holiness, that this must remain a private matter for the nonce... but, oh the Glory and Rapture for all of Christendom when we make our intentions known and take the battle to the enemy!!

Humbly,
Paladin Theseus
Nautonnier, le Prieure de Sion

To which I responded:

Beloved son of the Church,

I understand. Archbishop Ralphus may look for other candidates. Please inform him to send me some suggestions if he has any. I am very interested in our missionary activities in Egypt, and I am most anxious to see all men saved. I believe that God has shed His light upon Egypt as He has also done upon Spain. Truly, God has shown the countries of Egypt and Spain His favor! May that we earn it by sharing His Word with the entire world.

The idea for the Knight's Templars is a rather good one, I think. You have my full permission to see to its creation as a Paladin of the Church. I've sent along a group of Swiss bodyguards to assist you in its formation. I thank you, my friend. The Church needs such talented members such as yourself.

It shall indeed be a great day when the idolators see your troops carrying the banner of the Church on Bobian soil!

You may go to your troops with my blessings, my son.

His Will be done,
Pope Calixtus I

Pope Calixtus I

[Arnelos]

[OOC]

History Guy,

Please remember that Senor Francisco Clemente is present with the Gathering Storm nights travelling into Spain. I have discussed this matter with NYE, and we agreed that my PC will be with their knights as they land and head forth toward battle, after which my PC can rejoin his Spanish comrades and operate as a liaison between GS and RP.

So if we're going to be naming GS units as Paladins, my PC could certainly assist by having his diplomatic couriers handle any of the transport of such items and messages.

If you want to work my PC in through others ways, too, I won't mind

[/OOC]

[Arnelos]

My sincere apologies if I'm stepping on toes here, but I notice that absolutely no diplomatic activity has taken place between RP Team and Lego in a while and our relationship with Legoland is approaching a critical point with GS siding with us against ND and GoW... so...

ZargonX,

Now that most of my work with GS seems to be done and there seems to be no activity in RP-Lego relations of late (Aidun is still inactive and BF is heading out of town), I'm switching gears and seeing if I can help here again just like old times.

Speaking of that, are Nimitz and Spiffor still around at all? Any of my other DIA buddies from the SPDG? I've been gone for months and I haven't seen hide nor hair of those guys since I got back. I'd love to just talk to them about old times or something if they're around at all (which unfortunately doesn't seem to be the case ).

As for RP-Lego relations, we need to have a chat. With GS entering the conflict, the odds have evened up a bit, but are still uneven. We are still facing two civilizations on our own continent with tall stacks of 3-move UU's and in their GA's. We lost a considerable number of units to ND last turn, though we did damage most of their Ansars, forcing them to take it slow for a bit.

We're thinking that Legoland is probably best served by building like crazy while the rest of the world burns and we certainly respect that, but perhaps you'd also like to keep RP Team from being wiped out to at least keep the conflict good and bloody longer (giving you guys a long-term advantage because you can keep building).

In terms of a builder strategy, this war is the best thing that could have happened to you guys, but if it ends too quickly in an RP defeat because GS can only help us so much, then attentions will inevitably turn toward the ever-growing Lego at some point (sorta like the ISDG).

Please let me know times you or others from Lego might be available for chat and I'll see if I can get something together with Togas and myself, at the very least.

Let me know.

Thanks.

- Arnelos

[Nuclear Winter]

Talk I had with legoland today, about they sending tech and money and info:

Session Start: Thu Jul 31 15:32:31 2003
Session Ident: #Castle
* Now talking in #Castle
* Retrieving #Castle info...
* NuclearisWinterius sets mode: +ts
* NuclearisWinterius sets mode: +k medievalset
* redstar1 has joined #castle
* NuclearisWinterius sets mode: +o redstar1
NuclearisWinterius- Welcome
redstar1- thank you
NuclearisWinterius- can we wait a bit until togas comes?
NuclearisWinterius- hehe the name of the room is an homenage to legoland
redstar1- lol we are honoured
redstar1- sure no probs
redstar1- i think vondrack is a bit busy atm ...
NuclearisWinterius- call whoever you feel like
redstar1- i'm sure he'd like to talk to you too
redstar1- well i can only get a response from myself
NuclearisWinterius- though i don´t think calling ghengisfarb a good idea, really
redstar1- lol
NuclearisWinterius- Are you the current leader of legoland? I am a bit un-updated regarding your team, sorry
NuclearisWinterius- I think actual is zargon, right?
redstar1- oh no, Zargon is the president
redstar1- i hold no ministerial post, I am shall we say, the Cabinet Secretary
NuclearisWinterius- Well, anyway you can surely bring the topic to your forum later on
* Togas has joined #castle
NuclearisWinterius- Hello togas
* NuclearisWinterius sets mode: +o Togas
Togas- hello
Togas- I'm currently at work right now
NuclearisWinterius- Well, are you waiting someone from Lego redstar?
Togas- so I won't be extremely talkative, trying to get some files finished before lunch
redstar1- hiya
redstar1- no, go ahead
redstar1- i'll post log anyway
redstar1- so guys, what can we do for you
redstar1- NW mentioned a strong need for gold...
NuclearisWinterius- We are really in need of gold, but we could use techs too
NuclearisWinterius- We need something to allow us to make up for the productivity disadvantage we are facing, so maybe techs could help
Togas- let's be frank. I don't believe a tech or two is going to stop the Ansars hordes from sacking yet another city.
redstar1- right, i'm not aware of the tech situation to be honest. what are or were you researching?
Togas- researching nothing. All of our gold goes to rushing units
redstar1- what sort of help are GS giving?
Togas- more help than Lego.
redstar1- to be frank we aren't in any position to help militarily
Togas- we know.
redstar1- so what that leaves is gold and tech
NuclearisWinterius- So, you can always lend a hand gold-wise, eh?
NuclearisWinterius- Does Lego have Navigation?
redstar1- no, not yet
NuclearisWinterius-
redstar1- navigation aint gonna help you though
Togas- Conqustador would allow us to at least get a GA started, maybe boost production, narrow the gap a little.
NuclearisWinterius- it takes us nearer to our UU, wich is what we seek
redstar1- oh yes, i understand
redstar1- you obviously haven't had a Ga yet then
Togas- nope
NuclearisWinterius- not yet
redstar1- having a look at our treasury, we have a little over 100 gold
NuclearisWinterius- more than we have, surely
redstar1- i imagine so
redstar1- you rushing units?
Togas- I'll be frank -- any gold you give us we'd be exceptionally grateful. It will go to rushing pikes and giving us a better chance to hold out agains the Arab hordes
NuclearisWinterius- not only but also
Togas- however, more than just gold, we could really use intelligence help.
redstar1- ahhh intel we most likely have
NuclearisWinterius- We are taken to believe lego ahs a large navy, right?
redstar1- what exactly are you looking for?
redstar1- if by large navy you mean a galley then yes
NuclearisWinterius- screenshots from both of the beligerants´s territory
Togas- nuc -- hold on a sec.
Togas- I'll lay this out.
NuclearisWinterius- ok
redstar1- cool
Togas- Lego knew the war was coming and never hinted about it to us. Signed pacts with ND that forbid you from getting involved.
redstar1- i don't think thats fair
redstar1- we had no indication of a move against RP
Togas- it is.
redstar1- and our treaty with ND forbade any lgo presence on Bob
redstar1- lego
redstar1- that was signed a long time ago
Togas- there is obviously politics going on in the background, talks between the teams.
redstar1- and to that end we have proceeded with a policy of not going overseas
redstar1- of course, all teams talk to each other
redstar1- but i'm not aware of any indication given of an attack on spain
redstar1- the first we knew was the official announcments
Togas- I don't know the whole of it, I don't claim to, I know that you guys are intelligent guys and are more keyed into what is going on with our enemies than we are
redstar1- we like to think we have good relations with all the teams
Togas- we also thought the same thing, but what teams say to your face and what they say behind your back are two different things.
redstar1- well thats been true in this game before
Togas- in any event, I'm sure Lego knows that this war is quickly becoming a world war. With GS cities we gifted to them being attacked by GoW, they are now at war with GoW.
redstar1- all i can tell you is what has been reported in our public forums and discussed in the chat rooms
redstar1- and to my knowledge we weren't aware of it
redstar1- to be honest we would have expected ND to look North
redstar1- yeah, it does concern us
Togas- What is going to happen in the next few weeks is clear -- GoW is going to try to get you guys involved.
redstar1- we have no wish to get involved in a conflict, but at the same time our friends are in need
Togas- GoW and ND are going to talk to Lego. Sides are being drawn up
redstar1- no doubt GOW will come calling
redstar1- as far as i know we haven't been officially asked
redstar1- but i imagine they have been testing the waters
redstar1- in the same way, i imagine GS have been doing the same
redstar1- we are concerned about GS gaining cities on bob
redstar1- but i understand they are to be handed back
redstar1- ?
Togas- Frankly, we were going to give the cities to you.
Togas- We first came to Lego. Offered the cities, were rejected.
redstar1- i know
Togas- We then went to GS
redstar1- our initial reaction was that we didn't want to break any treaties
redstar1- but i don't think we thought GS might become involved or that things were quite so serious
Togas- things are very serious. We're being attacked with the UUs of two nations who are both in their golden ages.
redstar1- as it turns out, they were attacked anyway
Togas- it doesn't get any more serious or desperate for us
redstar1- ok guys so tell me, what do you need from Lego
redstar1- what do you request from lego to put it another way
redstar1- and i would imagine we would certiainly do what we can
Togas- Tech and gold will help, that is a given. I know my people will be extremely grateful to receive any such help.
redstar1- remembering we don't want to get dragged into a war
Togas- however, more than tech and gold, in my mind, is information.
Togas- we know you can't get involved, so we won't ask it. But I'd like to know what GoW and ND are secretly saying ... see if they show any signs of weakness or concern.
Togas- see if we're making a dent at all, or if anything we do seriously worries them. Anything that worries them is good for us
redstar1- ok, tech and gold are things that we have
redstar1- intel is a bit more tricky, do you guys have a map of all of bob?
Togas- anything you give us will be used solely to defend ourselves. If you'd like we will agree to a permanent No-Trade on anything give to us by Lego
Togas- we have maps of the continent, yes.
redstar1- ok
redstar1- so theres nothing we can give you there
redstar1- communications... i imagine we could try and find out some information for you
redstar1- what the plans are etc
Togas- any intelligence you can provide will be greatly appreciated.
redstar1- no problem
redstar1- you don't mind me posting the log of this?
Togas- that's fine.
redstar1- it will all have to go through the FAM and all that crap
redstar1- else he might get stroppy
Togas- I know that Lego is concerned about us getting GS involved. I just want to make it clear that they were our last choice, our only hope at trying to slow down the invaders. Thus far, we're not even sure it'll work, GoW is sacking GS cities now.
redstar1- yeah, how much hardware are GS supporting with?
Togas- GoW has a stack of 14 Riders stomping through eastern Spain. GS is sending units via galley, all we can see are their ships, all of East Spain is in their custody so we can't see their #s
redstar1- yeah
redstar1- i imagine they have plenty of ships anyway
Togas- they seem to.
redstar1- well lets hope they can protect you
Togas- we just hope they can protect themselves right now ... fighting that monster stack is going to be a major challange
redstar1- jees, where they get the time to build 14 offensive units!
Togas- horsemen upgrades, mostly
Togas- or so they say, GoW doesn't build much of anything
redstar1- hmmm, thats prob all they have,...
Togas- we pray that's all they have
NuclearisWinterius- if they have more, or even ND, we´re pretty much scrapped
redstar1- will GS intercept?
Togas- who knows
Togas- we just hope that GS will try to protect those cities and kill some/most of the GoW stack for us.
redstar1- well i suppose thats the least they will do
redstar1- meanwhile i'll push this and see what we can do for you
redstar1- oh, who told you we had a large navy?
Togas- I need some food. So I'll summarize and then go idle:
Togas- yes, we really could use gold to help us get mil units.
NuclearisWinterius- As you may know, time is against us, so please be fast wiht that aid...
Togas- I know all of Spain will be overjoyed to receive any gifts from Lego.
Togas- We would be more overjoyed if we could somehow get a Conquistador on the field and win a battle with him.
NuclearisWinterius- Much happier than to accept help from GS, that´s for sure ...
Togas- If Lego could assist us that way, it would be like an early Christmas for Spain
redstar1- i think lego would be overjoyed if we can help avert another tragedy...
NuclearisWinterius- What is lego researching?
Togas- but lastly, any help and information you can give us will also be extremely helpful.
Togas- Even harmless sorts of alliances and pacts and comments can reveal quite a bit
Togas- GoW loves to talk, and (if nothing else) knowing what they know and what they are asking can be very helpful clues to their true thoughts
Togas- I need to get some food. I'll bbl.
NuclearisWinterius- have a nice lunch, togas
* Arnelos has joined #Castle
Arnelos- hello
NuclearisWinterius- Hello Arnelos!
Arnelos- I'm going to be idle while I'm packing out my apartment - go on
* Arnelos is now known as ArnIDLE
* NuclearisWinterius sets mode: +o ArnIDLE
ArnIDLE- my firewall won't let me do that
ArnIDLE- just e-mail it
ArnIDLE- arnelos at aol dot com
NuclearisWinterius- aol
NuclearisWinterius- Redstar, you there?
redstar1- yeah
redstar1- sorry
redstar1- phone
NuclearisWinterius- no problem
NuclearisWinterius- do you have an estimate of when you´ll get an answer from your team?
redstar1- oh
redstar1- i should imagine its normally pretty quick
redstar1- its unlikely to come from me though
NuclearisWinterius- OK, just asked, cause so to say our belts are tight right now, and time is in ND and GoW´s side...
redstar1- yeah i understand
NuclearisWinterius- Well, you have any more questions?
* ArnIDLE is now known as Arnelos_is_Packing
NuclearisWinterius- well folks, i must take my leave, and I´ll be back later... My sister demands to use the fone and she has a sharp pencil sharpner there...