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  • #31
    Ok, here's a first draft for our public statement, once we are ready to make it.

    To the Peoples of the World,

    It is with sadness that the citizens of Legoland have watched the tense situation across the sea continue to degrade further and further. War is a tragic event, and to witness one grow larger and larger by the day is all the more heartbreaking.

    Though we are reluctant to join conflict, we are not unwilling. If we see that the world sways precariously out of balance, we would be foolish to not act. Thus the people of Legoland have reached a critical moment in their history, and act we must.

    As of 9:30 this morning, Legos the Wise has given orders that put all Lego forces on high alert. Should Gathering Storm continue to try and establish a military presence on the continent of Bob, Lego Expeditionary Forces will be deployed to assist the nations of Glory of War and Neu Demogyptica in driving them back to the sea.

    We sincerely hope it will not come to such measures, but if peace cannot be maintained through words, then it must be maintained through arms.

    Thank You,
    ZargonX,
    President of Legoland
    Last edited by ZargonX; July 30, 2003, 23:10.
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    • #32
      I had forgotten about the Grt Lighthouse; so that is a very good point. But getting them closer to Navigation is of some concern.

      I guess GS response to our "official" response will dicatate the future of our agreement. If we do not honor the agreement, then we would have to compensate GS after the war.

      In other words, if it benefits us now, than we should NOT honor the agreement (it is WAR, after all). But when peach comes about, eventually, we would have to compensate GS to balance the agreement.

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      • #33
        Yes, I think GS' response to our declaration will hope solidify how this deal will play out. I think a single tech deal being broken will look sort of minor in the grand scheme of things
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        • #34
          I'd take out the second paragraph. There's been enough bickering and hard feelings over PAs already, IMO; let's learn from GoW by just making our ultimatum and waiting for a response. Rather than having a pointless 6-page thread arguing over legality, morality, and analogies.

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          • #35
            I agree with Kloreep. No sense adding to the bickering that is going on in that GoW ultimatum thread - take out the 2nd paragraph.

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            • #36
              2nd paragraph removed! You're right, that probably would have been what everyone focused on anyway...
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              • #37
                I just love how "Lego Expeditionary Forces" sounds
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                • #38
                  I like it. Both the LEF sound and the announcement as a whole.

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                  • #39
                    On the subject of the LEF, I think it should origionally consist of a Settler, Worker and 4 Mercs (unless we got Gunpowder by then).

                    Does building a fort on a hill before building a city make any difference?

                    City should build walls then a barracks. Maybe then even a temple to ward of culture flip if its a risk...
                    Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses

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                    • #40
                      I believe a harbor after the barracks would be best.

                      IMO:
                      First transport: (2 galleys): a settler, a worker, 2 mercs.
                      Second transport: (2 caravels) 2 mercs + 4 knights
                      3rd transport: (hopefully 3 caravels) 2 mercs + 7 knights; or perhaps some catapults, too.

                      Edit: on a second thought, maybe we shouldn't send the settler and worker in the first transport. We don't want our presense on Bob to be noticed yet. So maybe 4 knigths would be better.
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                      • #41
                        Well we don't necessarily have to found a city the moment we get there but we will want to ASAP when our intentions are known.

                        I like your 3 transport plan although I would stick to the Knights early on until we decide exactly what we will have to do.
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                        • #42
                          The worker can go in first to start any improvements. The city can be founded later.

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                          • #43
                            Another idea... some of our workers might help building roads or improvements where ND would need them... they are faster than native Arab. workers...

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                            • #44
                              True true, although I wouldn't like any of our workers to be captured in enemy territory!!!
                              Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses

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                              • #45
                                I am posting this chatlog here, rather than in one of the ND/GoW F.A. threads:

                                Session Start: Thu Jul 31 19:44:03 2003
                                Session Ident: #gow_cofa
                                * Now talking in #gow_cofa
                                vondrack:
                                * Panzer32 sets mode: +o vondrack
                                vondrack: may I ask a preliminary question about your research?
                                Panzer32: sure
                                vondrack: how long before you finish Invention (at the current sci rate)?
                                vondrack: and how long at 100%?
                                Panzer32: 11 turns as of last turn, but we hope to increase with our GA
                                vondrack: that's great news
                                Panzer32: 100%...
                                Panzer32: one minute
                                vondrack: k
                                vondrack: and tell me how much gpt you'd need to balance your cashflow then
                                vondrack: btw - not in your GA yet?
                                Panzer32: at 100%, it is 7 turns with -60gpt (currently running at -11gpt)
                                Panzer32: not yet but most likely next turn
                                vondrack: may I invite ZargonX?
                                vondrack: he's online
                                Panzer32: go ahead
                                vondrack: will be here for the chat, too
                                vondrack: thanks
                                * ZargonX has joined #gow_cofa
                                vondrack: see, I am thinking of speeding your research as much as possible, getting Invention from you just after we finish Astronomy
                                vondrack: and then doing Gunpowder as fast as possible
                                vondrack: providing it to you & ND
                                ZargonX: isn't there a way to hide this channel?
                                * Retrieving #gow_cofa info...
                                vondrack: I think it is already hidden
                                vondrack: or, "secret"
                                ZargonX: ok, good
                                * vondrack sets mode: +o ZargonX
                                ZargonX: don't want anyone wandering in here to see what's up
                                vondrack: right, definitely
                                * Panzer32 sets mode: +k jduf
                                vondrack: we should perhaps revisit the idea after you get into your GA, Panzer
                                Panzer32: thats the password
                                vondrack: you may be just fast enough for us
                                vondrack: then
                                vondrack: Astronomy in 5 here
                                Panzer32: ah
                                vondrack: but do not tell GS...
                                Panzer32: yes
                                vondrack: and we could probably use a turn or two with 100% tax anyway
                                Panzer32: btw, do you guys have embassies with either GS or RP?
                                ZargonX: no, we do not
                                vondrack: nope
                                vondrack: do we allow Trip here?
                                Panzer32: sure
                                vondrack: k
                                * Trip has joined #gow_cofa
                                Panzer32: busy for a couple minutes...
                                ZargonX: I am expecting a maintainance man at my apartment, so please excuse me if I have to duck out suddenly
                                vondrack: k
                                ZargonX: I guess ND will be here soon
                                vondrack: I hope so
                                vondrack: in the meantime... Panzer, will you mind if we establish an embassy with you this turn? it will be necessary for RoP
                                Panzer32: thats fine
                                ZargonX:
                                ZargonX: excellent
                                Panzer32: unbusy btw
                                vondrack: ok, that's 69 gold... first alliance costs
                                * [ND]Darekill has joined #gow_cofa
                                [ND]Darekill: Hi!
                                vondrack: hello!
                                ZargonX: hello, Darekill!
                                Panzer32: hi Darekill
                                [ND]Darekill: Hi Gow, Legos, Friends
                                vondrack:
                                [ND]Darekill: I'm waiting for some more of my people to show up
                                vondrack: of course, take your time
                                ZargonX: oh, excuse me for a bit, everyone
                                * ZargonX is now known as ZargonX|maintainence
                                vondrack: Darekill, can you tell Zayxus to come here, please?
                                * Zayxus has joined #gow_cofa
                                vondrack: great
                                [ND]Darekill: I told him as you can see
                                * vondrack sets mode: +ooo Trip Zayxus [ND]Darekill
                                vondrack:
                                * Zayxus is now known as [ND]Zayxus
                                Panzer32: Master Zen is unfortunatly probably unable to make the chat
                                vondrack: we (Lego) will not use the team prefixes... someone could take the hint...
                                [ND]Darekill: having some flamewars to lead
                                vondrack: hehe
                                vondrack: it is ridiculous...
                                Panzer32: Shall we start now?
                                [ND]Darekill: Yes let's start.
                                vondrack: ok
                                [ND]Darekill: maybe borc will show up but I don'T know when
                                vondrack: who's going to take the lead?
                                Panzer32: I can
                                vondrack: k, go ahead
                                Panzer32: There are currently two different opionions in GoW about Legoland helping us
                                Panzer32: one is that Legoland should immediatly start transporting troops to Bob (of which I am myself a supporter)
                                * redstar1 has joined #gow_cofa
                                redstar1: heyy
                                redstar1: hey trip, fancy seeing you here
                                vondrack: hey, redstar! silence, please
                                Panzer32: the other is that Legoland should lie low until they can help in a major way, i.e. invasion of Estormia.
                                redstar1: :X
                                vondrack: ok, let me point out one thing, plese
                                vondrack: *please
                                Panzer32: go ahead
                                vondrack: we are NOT going to invade Stormia
                                * Panzer32 sets mode: +o redstar1
                                vondrack: not now, not later
                                Panzer32: ok
                                vondrack: our goal is to help you on Bob
                                Panzer32: I didn't think so
                                [ND]Darekill: I did
                                vondrack:
                                vondrack: ok, this leaves one option out, I guess...
                                Panzer32: I guess it does
                                [ND]Darekill: We have no Problem in leaving you a city in the south for the planned expedition force.
                                vondrack: ok, fine, that will make things easier
                                * [ND]Borc has joined #gow_cofa
                                vondrack: we will not need it immediately, but I am glad you do not mind
                                vondrack: gimme three minutes to eat my supper, please
                                Panzer32: Where is it that you plan to ferry troops across?
                                Panzer32: sure
                                [ND]Darekill: do you plan to keep it after the war?
                                * Panzer32 sets mode: +o [ND]Borc
                                vondrack: no, we would hand it over to you after the war
                                vondrack: we have no desire for a permanent presence on Bob
                                redstar1: or remove it...
                                redstar1: its unlikely to be in an ideal city placement location
                                vondrack: yeah, whatever
                                [ND]Darekill: fine thats even better then.
                                redstar1: i would imagine it would be on a hill
                                vondrack: almost done eating
                                redstar1: anything i've missed while V stuffs his face?
                                vondrack: ok, supper eaten
                                vondrack: may I take the lead now?
                                [ND]Darekill: go ahead.
                                vondrack: thanks
                                vondrack: I would like to use this opportunity to make sure we all understand our goals the same way
                                vondrack: and there is no misunderstanding about the scope of our involvement in the war
                                vondrack: so:
                                vondrack: Legoland will not get directly involved in the war against RP
                                vondrack: unless RP attack us, of course
                                vondrack: Legoland will not invade Stormia, unless GS invades Legos
                                vondrack: for us, the ultimate goal of this war is to have Bob divided between GoW & ND
                                vondrack: sealing GS on Stormia
                                vondrack: getting rid of RP
                                vondrack: Voxes will have Legos Minor
                                vondrack: we will have Legos Major
                                vondrack: once this is achieved, we will consider our goal reached and will reconsider our further involvement
                                vondrack: is this okay with both of your teams?
                                * Donegeal has joined #gow_cofa
                                [ND]Darekill: It is what I expected you will want.
                                * Donegeal is now known as [GoW]Donegeal
                                vondrack: yes - we talked about it during the previous chat
                                [ND]Darekill: one think though is unclear.
                                vondrack: yes?
                                [ND]Darekill: if you want RP gone
                                * Panzer32 sets mode: +o [GoW]Donegeal
                                [ND]Darekill: why not actualy help getting rid of them.
                                vondrack: we would break a treaty
                                [ND]Darekill: That is acceptable.
                                vondrack: to be precise
                                vondrack: there is a date set
                                redstar1: i think we would also be more useful in dealing with GS directly, we have nothing on Bob to defend as such
                                vondrack: after which we would be free to attack
                                vondrack: but it is confidential and not in the near future
                                [ND]Darekill: all right.
                                [ND]Borc: :top:
                                vondrack: now, for the help
                                vondrack: I have PMed both of you (Darekill & Panzer)
                                vondrack: with some ideas
                                vondrack: may I have your comments on them?
                                vondrack: what do you need most?
                                vondrack: or, we might break the discussion into smaller parts
                                vondrack: let's start with easy stuff
                                Panzer32: sure
                                vondrack: LUXURIES:
                                [ND]Darekill: It's Ok. just a few minutes.
                                vondrack: in 5 turns, we will be able to provide both of you with dyes
                                [ND]Darekill: Panzer may start.
                                vondrack: ok
                                Panzer32: yes, we could use them. We were trading with both RP and GS for luxuries so I believe we might run into unhappiness
                                Panzer32: Also, we can easily give you wines in return
                                vondrack: great
                                vondrack: Darekill, what luxury/ies do you have a surplus of?
                                [ND]Darekill: right now we have spices.
                                [ND]Darekill: but soon we will hafe silk too.
                                vondrack: only two of them, right?
                                [ND]Darekill: yes.
                                vondrack: it may be better if you give the extra silk to GoW
                                [ND]Darekill: But therel be diamonds too
                                vondrack: their war weariness will be higher
                                [ND]Darekill: Two first maybe more later and still later we hope to get ivory.
                                [GoW]Donegeal: WW doesn't play as significant a part in MP games...
                                vondrack: ok - we would respectfully ask for whatever luxury you will have more than 2 of...
                                [ND]Darekill: so we give GoW the silk and you the diamonds.
                                Panzer32: (since GoW has diamonds
                                vondrack:
                                [ND]Darekill: is that o.k. with you Panzer?
                                Panzer32: ^
                                vondrack: ok... I suggest a very simple principle
                                vondrack: for the duration of our alliance
                                vondrack: we share the luxuries "for free"
                                [ND]Darekill: agreed.
                                Panzer32: yes, agreed
                                vondrack: everybody gives whatever is possible
                                vondrack: great
                                vondrack: next point:
                                vondrack: RESEARCH
                                vondrack: what are you, guys, researching?
                                vondrack: I know about GoW
                                [ND]Darekill: We research almost nothing.
                                vondrack: we are doing Astronomy
                                vondrack: ok, that's what we assumed
                                vondrack: it's probably better this way
                                [ND]Darekill: We are with zero Research at Printing Press
                                Panzer32: hey MZ's here!
                                * MasterZen has joined #GoW_CoFA
                                MasterZen: hello everyone
                                vondrack: hello, MZ!
                                redstar1: hey
                                vondrack: ok, here is an idea:
                                [ND]Darekill: Hello oh great Barbarian brother and hero of the flame wars
                                vondrack: we finish Astronomy in 5 turns
                                * Panzer32 sets mode: +o MasterZen
                                vondrack: that's a solid ETA
                                MasterZen: hahaha, hi Darekill
                                vondrack: we then gift the tech to both of you
                                [GoW]Donegeal: perchance ND and GoW should research (to get two techs instead of one) while Lego funds our war efforts?
                                redstar1: yeah, Zargon is waiting on more lenses being delivered
                                vondrack: and wait for GoW to finish Invention, saving some cash
                                vondrack: once we get Invention, we go full speed for Gunpowder
                                vondrack: (we are the fastest researchers out of us three, I believe)
                                [ND]Darekill: Good we could raise our Research but it'll leave us less money for rushs
                                vondrack: once discovered, you get it from us immediately
                                vondrack: I do not think you need to raise your science, Darekill
                                vondrack: not yet
                                vondrack: nothing to research, actually
                                * GhengisFarb has joined #gow_cofa
                                MasterZen: sounds like a solid plan
                                vondrack: PP is already covered
                                [ND]Darekill: good then we can suport some money when needed.
                                vondrack: we might use some of your gold to speed for the gunpowder as fast as possible once we start researching it
                                vondrack: yes, good
                                vondrack: we understand each other
                                redstar1: gunpowder is key, yeah
                                vondrack: just a sec, I will try to estimate the ETA on gunpowder
                                redstar1: 17? or are my sums out?
                                vondrack: we could do it in 6 turns (right now) , if you help us with cash
                                redstar1: thats been known to happen right enough..
                                vondrack: add whatever you need to finish Invention
                                redstar1: 7:P
                                * NeMeSiS has joined #gow_cofa
                                vondrack: we would need you to help us with ~85 gpt (to allow running at 100% research)
                                NeMeSiS: hi all
                                vondrack: hi!
                                NeMeSiS: sorry for beeing late
                                GhengisFarb: So are we going to have an official alliance between ND, GoW, and Lego?
                                NeMeSiS: -e
                                vondrack: it may actually be less, since we are finishing some markets and founding some cities and such...
                                * NeMeSiS is now known as [ND]NeMeSiS
                                vondrack: what I am quoting is the status as of this turn
                                vondrack: do you think it would be doable?
                                [ND]Darekill: 85 is a lot of cash though..
                                vondrack: yes, it is
                                [ND]Darekill: we maybe get 50
                                vondrack: Panzer?
                                Panzer32: just a sec...
                                vondrack: k
                                [ND]Darekill: We have abour 200 gpT but we need some for rushs
                                vondrack: understood
                                Panzer32: at 0% science we have 66gpt
                                MasterZen: but that's pre-GA
                                vondrack: right... lemme re-check our potential
                                Panzer32: right...
                                Panzer32: estimate maybe 90gpt
                                vondrack: 7 turns for the powder at -66 gpt
                                vondrack: for us now
                                vondrack: should be better when we get to researching it actually
                                vondrack: I suggest we set solid deadlines once GoW enter their GA, ok?
                                Panzer32: ok. Expected GA next turn
                                vondrack: but I take it everybody agrees this is a good idea, right?
                                Panzer32: yeah. Sooner we get Gunpowder = sooner GS' knights are innefective
                                vondrack: yep - that was my thinking
                                vondrack: Darekill?
                                * Panzer32 sets mode: +oo GhengisFarb [ND]NeMeSiS
                                MasterZen: sounds great if you ask me
                                [GoW]Donegeal: you want to really stir things up? How about have Lego talk to Vox to send a single solitary warrior to lego and have it be killed by a NM and have Lego enter a GA as well... MONEY AND RESEARCH ABOUND!!!!
                                vondrack: ummm... that sound too cheesy to me
                                [ND]Darekill: I have four chat channel blinking like crazy....
                                vondrack: I know it would work, but it is somehow...
                                [GoW]Donegeal: just an idea...
                                vondrack: I would prefer not doing that
                                MasterZen: I think that Lego should hold on to it's GA to a time in which it is more needed
                                vondrack: yes, I think so, too
                                [GoW]Donegeal: more needed?
                                MasterZen: perhaps for a definitive assault on GS in the future...
                                vondrack: plus, we are now expanding a bit - GA later will bring more
                                [ND]Darekill: so now how is the finacial situation.
                                [GoW]Donegeal: IF we loose this war GS will win the game! How much more needed does it need to get?
                                [ND]Darekill: Lego how much do ayou need from us for 100% research and how long.
                                vondrack: ok - Darekill, you cool with the research plan?
                                [ND]Darekill: Yes of course.
                                vondrack: errr... just a sec
                                vondrack: as I said, at this very moment, 100% science would mean -85 gpt for us
                                vondrack: but it will be less after ~7 turns
                                vondrack: which GoW will need to get to Invention
                                [ND]Darekill: how much can GoW give per turn?
                                * GhengisFarb is now known as [GoW]GhengisFarb
                                Panzer32: up to about 90gpt with GA
                                vondrack: My rough estimate is that we will need 60 gpt max
                                Panzer32: I'm just wondering here about invention; will ND give us anything for it?
                                vondrack: we are going to up our commerce a bit in the near future
                                [ND]Darekill: we should share resources and research fairly.
                                [ND]Darekill: We have iron and 200g/t
                                vondrack: yes, I believe this is about US THREE getting the most
                                [ND]Darekill: some luxury and some Ansar.
                                vondrack: this is no time for bargaining over separate deals
                                Panzer32: right. But will we are working in the -gpt to get Invention finished while ND rakes up the cash
                                vondrack: perhaps ND could help you finish Inv in ~7 turns?
                                [ND]Darekill: we always payed fair for what we got didn't we?
                                [ND]Darekill: How much do you need to get out of the .- Panzer
                                Panzer32: of course you did; I'm just making sure my team doesn't fire me
                                MasterZen: I'd rather have ND spend it on Ansars to send to the northeast in case GS lands
                                MasterZen: Ansars are cheap, the opportunity cost of building them is ideal
                                [GoW]Donegeal: however... invention means one step closer to Gunpower...
                                [ND]Darekill: it is not like we would stockpile money
                                MasterZen: look this is my idea:
                                MasterZen: each country should have a specific role in all of this
                                MasterZen: Lego is the inventor. 100% science
                                MasterZen: GoW rakes the $$$, sends its to Lego
                                [GoW]GhengisFarb: Stock[piled money isn't in GoW are ND's interests, if GS Roleplay somehows takes a city they could siphon off some of it.
                                vondrack: hm, good point
                                MasterZen: ND rakes the $$$, spends it on Ansars. Offensive units is what we need
                                MasterZen: then raze all the cities :P
                                vondrack: perhaps Trip could give us a lecture now?
                                MasterZen: hhaha
                                [ND]Darekill: *g*
                                Panzer32: We don't keep the $$, we give it/spend it
                                [ND]Darekill: trip you never get away without that joke from now on
                                vondrack: ok, that should work... I believe it should not take long and Lego might be doing a tech every 4 turns
                                [ND]Darekill: First of all Astronomy and invention must be ready at about the same time.
                                vondrack: Astronomy will be ready in 5 turns
                                vondrack: solid ETA
                                [ND]Darekill: We can sport both of you with money to reach this goal asap.
                                Panzer32: We need some extra $ to get invention done that quickly
                                [ND]Darekill: how much
                                vondrack: then help GoW, we are fast enough with Astro
                                [ND]Darekill: we hold the cheque book
                                Panzer32: unfortunatly I don't know, as we are not in GA yet
                                vondrack: )
                                [ND]Darekill: name a price we can make it with lum sum from turn to turn.
                                Panzer32: *probably* not more than 30 gpt
                                vondrack: ok - no problem, you can work this out between yourselves... we can certainly wait for few turns on 100% tax until Invention is ready
                                Panzer32: we'll contact you with the details after the GA
                                [ND]Darekill: O.K you get 40 the nbext few turns until you know how much you need.
                                Panzer32: (has started)
                                vondrack: ok, I think we can consider this finished, ok?
                                [ND]Darekill: right.

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