Foreign Affairs Consulate: Roleplay

[Panzer32]

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[Panzer32]

adaMada wants 20 turns.
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Panzer,
Could we perhaps find a middle ground and accept a twenty turn prohibitation?

The length of time isn't a show-stopping issue, but it'd obviously be nice to find a comfortable compromise for both sides.

-- adaMada

[Panzer32]

Personally, I would take the 20 turns, because we NEED writing NOW. I will send the reply tonight, if there are any positive replies. If there are no replies tonight, I will mail the reply tommorrow.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

15 turns is plenty of time, everyone will have finished researching another tech by that point and both of our teams will have a tech more valuable to trade by then.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Ideas for Roleplay Writing deal:



Offer 12 turns no trade of Writing and they can trade Horseback to anyone they want.

40 Gold and our units continue to move back to our homelands.

They should drop their price for the following reasons:
1) They have added a no trade clause which reduces the value of the trade.

2) We fulfilled our part of the negotiations by moving our warriors north while they have NOT FULFILLED ANYPART.

Our warriors move back south next turn if we don't have an agreement. Remember they have lied and broken agreements with us before.

I would be willing to allow them to get Horseback from Lux if they give us a fair deal. Currently they are robbing us blind.

[Hot_Enamel]

I think it is very important to change our Foreign advisers attitute to angry towards RP on our next turn.

That will teach them !!!!

[Panzer32]

Draft:
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adaMada,

On the topic of the Horseback Riding for Writing trade:

The Glory of War believes that 20 turns is an unnecessary precaution. We believe that before that time, everyone will have finished researching another tech by that point and both of our teams will have a tech more valuable to trade by then. The Glory of War, therefore is prepared to make you a deal:

We continue with trading Writing for Horseback Riding. The Gory of War will not trade writing for 12 turns, while Roleplay can trade Horseback riding to whomever they chose, whenever they chose. If Roleplay wishes to extend the amount of turns that the Glory of War cannot trade Writing, they can pay (as a discount off what GoW would pay Roleplay for this deal) 3 gold per extra turn. Therefore, if Roleplay wishes to extend the deal to 20 turns, they can discount 24 gold off the original deal.

Here are some reasons for this deal:

1. We have fulfilled our part of the negotiations by moving our warriors north while Roleplay has NOT FULFILLED ANY PART.

2. The extra no trade clause has reduced the value of the tech. The Glory of War assumed during the negotiations that since we didn't discuss no trade agreements, there would be none.


Keep in mind that since this deal has not gone through yet, there is nothing keeping our warrior-explorer out of the south. If we do not reach an agreement soon, we will turn back south. But remember: we're not there to attack you. We have a nonagression pact, remember?

Thank you very much,

Panzer32
Foreign Affairs Consul for the Glory of War

[Hot_Enamel]

Originally posted by Panzer32
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adaMada,

blah blah blah ......

1. We have fulfilled our part of the negotiations by moving our warriors north while Roleplay has NOT FULFILLED ANY PART.

blah blah blah ......

Thank you very much,

Panzer32
Foreign Affairs Consul for the Glory of War

What part were they supposed to fulfill ?

Change to.... while Roleplay still ATTEMPTS TO DELAY THE AGREEMENT BY CHANGING CONDITIONS.

???

Or is it us who has changed the conditions ?

Regs



We are getting screwed with this deal.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

They were supposed to trade us Writing for Horseback.

We went ahead and moved our forces back north and they are still refusing to agree to anything.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

I would make the following changes:
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adaMada,

On the topic of the Horseback Riding for Writing trade:

The Glory of War believes that 20 turns is an unnecessary precaution. We believe that before that time, everyone will have finished researching another tech and by that point both of our teams will have a tech more valuable to trade. The Glory of War, therefore is prepared to make you a deal:

We continue with trading Writing for Horseback Riding. The Glory of War will not trade writing for 12 turns, while Roleplay can trade Horseback riding to whomever they chose, whenever they chose.

Here are some reasons for this deal:

1. We have fulfilled our part of the negotiations by moving our warriors north while Roleplay has not yet finalized the deal.

2. The addition of the no trade clause has reduced the value of the trade.


Keep in mind that since this deal has not gone through yet, there is nothing keeping our warrior-explorer out of the south. If we do not reach an agreement soon, we will turn back south. But remember: we're not there to attack you. We have a nonagression pact, remember?

Thank you very much,

Panzer32
Foreign Affairs Consul for the Glory of War

Remember we have to walk on eggshells around Roleplay. They take the slightest miswording as an afront and are very self-centered so that any thing that sounds like an demand is viewed as an attack on their "superiority as the world's most perfect Civ Team".

[Hot_Enamel]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
I would make the following changes:
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Remember we have to walk on eggshells around Roleplay. They take the slightest miswording as an afront and are very self-centered so that any thing that sounds like an demand is viewed as an attack on their "superiority as the world's most perfect Civ Team".

Damn those laywers.

So long as we come to an agreement before writing is available...this dance we are doing may be worth while.

Lets see what the Lux response is from the latest GF email.
They may be so concerned about us siding with ND, that they back away from giving HBR to RP.

If that happens, then we may be glad of this slow pace of negotiations.
If RP realises that they dont have a fallback postition of buying HBR from Lux, they may suddenly become a little more flexible.

Its a good email GF / Panzer.

Send it out.

[Panzer32]

sent (GF version)

[Panzer32]

Just got this From jdjdjd

Will post in this thread and in Lux FAC thread.
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Lux Invicta
Hello Dear Panzer:

I am jdjdjd of España (RP), Ambassador to the Ottoman's(LI).

I am writing on behalf of the Ottoman's, to clear up a misconception that is out there and may hurt your opinion of LI. Lux Invicta never sought to trade us HBR for Writing until after I had approached BigFurryMonster about it. That was after I was told it was certain that our team and yours were not going to trade. Since RP and GoW worked out our differences, the trade will commense with GoW and not with Lux. Lux has never tried to interfere with the RP-GoW trade and only negotiated after we told them the trade was off.

Please let us know should you have any questions.

I remain,

jdjdjd

[Hot_Enamel]

Originally posted by Panzer32
Hold the presses...
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Lux Invicta

Hello Dear Panzer:

I am jdjdjd of España (RP), Ambassador to the Ottoman's(LI).

I am writing on behalf of the Ottoman's, to clear up a misconception that is out there and may hurt your opinion of LI. Lux Invicta never sought to trade us HBR for Writing until after I had approached BigFurryMonster about it. That was after I was told it was certain that our team and yours were not going to trade. Since RP and GoW worked out our differences, the trade will commense with GoW and not with Lux. Lux has never tried to interfere with the RP-GoW trade and only negotiated after we told them the trade was off.

Please let us know should you have any questions.

I remain,

jdjdjd

And this is an edit from the GOW - RP chat

[21:02] [Arnelos] Lux HAS offered us Horseback Riding - your deal sounds FAR better, though. Obviously, the despot (Togas) gets to make the decision on this, but I agree that your deal sounds good
[21:03] [GoW_Panzer32] yeah, Lux is a lying team anyways
[21:03] [Ninotsback] i share Arnelos' opinion completely
[21:04] [GhengisDevil] WRITE DOWN WHAT ARNELOS JUST SAID PANZER
[21:05] [Ninotsback] they havent made a trade. they considered it tho
[21:05] [GhengisDevil] They can't ever OFFER it.
[21:05] [Ninotsback] well then
[21:05] [Ninotsback] that makes that clear
[21:05] [Ninotsback] on the other hand, we have not accepted their deal at all
[21:06] [GhengisDevil] Busted
[21:06] [GhengisDevil] BFM swore to me this morning that he sent your team a memo that said they could not trade you Horseback Riding.
[21:07] [Ninotsback] we received just the opposite
[21:07] [Arnelos] yeah, we asked them about this "deal"
[21:07] [adaMada] Ghengis -- I belive you, personally
[21:07] [adaMada] *believe
[21:07] [adaMada] But ONE team is lying, and we really have no proof either wa...
[21:07] [adaMada] Any way we could, once and for all, settle the issue?
[21:08] [GhengisDevil] BFM told me this morning he could not send me a copy of the memo because he had to have your teams approval and yoru team wouldn't give it.
[21:09] [Arnelos] (we never said that)
[21:09] [Ninotsback] ok, very honestly now, i tell you, BFM never asked us for aproval on anything concering GoW
[21:09] [Arnelos] yup
[21:09] [GoW_Panzer32] But there are some things that are pretty convincing
[21:10] [Ninotsback] This swirl of controvorsy... every little "wrong" thing about it has SOMETHING to do with Lux
[21:10] [Arnelos] but given that Ninot agreed with me...



We could stir up some real bad blood between Lux and RP if we sent the above to Lux.

And if Lux cracks it and honours the agreement not to sell HBR to RP, then HBR becomes more valuable to RP.

And it still doesnt resolve the problem that Lux does not own the rights to HBR and cannot even offer it to RP.

We should also send the above to adaMada. And ask him the question of what the hell is going on with his team !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Panzer32]

finally:
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Panzer,
I meant no offense. Your original offer of fifteen turns of not trading for both of us is acceptable if it still is to you -- I was just trying to strike a middle ground between the two team's offers.

If you will accept what is above, Roleplay will accept offer #3. To refresh everyone's memory, it was:
GoW Gives: Horseback riding and warrior removal now and 60 gold upon reception of writing.
Roleplay Gives: Writing upon acquisition
* Neither team will trade the tech it acquires for fifteen turns after acquisition.

I am very pleased to hear that your warrior has already begun to prepare for it's long trip back towards your homeland, as it is a long trip. Please pass along our best wishes to your men.

Finally, let me thank you for your reasonableness and willingness to sort things out. I feel that we were very successful in finding a common middle ground in the chat, and I hope that we can have many more productive meetings in the future.

-- adaMada
Togas’ Ambassador to Glory of War
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Personally, I would take this deal. It still gives us 5 turns less that we don't trade writing. I will however wait to see what others think.