Wow!

[notyoueither]

dp

[notyoueither]

Assuming we trust the GoW shots.

Where are these 4 in any of the shots? Whereever these 4 were, so too could have been others.

[Aeson]

I didn't say I trusted the shots. In GoW's first shot there is a tile 88 from Grog Mountain that units could very easily have been on (8 and 9 being shown). They would have shown up in the second shot though, being on the same tile as Eli the Eliminator.

I think Vox did some ferrying of troops around Grog on the E for some turns before attacking. They might have pop rushed at least 1 of the 4 in Dissidentville at some point (we don't have the screenshots from each turn to be absolutely sure). Not sure how many troops Vox ferried, but if they really did make a landing on BOB, that gives them 3 turns round trip to drop off 2 units, so it could very well be 10 units if they started this thing 15 turns ago. Of course the last couple drops would have been counterproductive, as the troops make it to Dissidentville faster by road, and they needed to make one drop down south... so say 6 units this way? (not sure how soon they could have started... they were average compared to us not too long back... anyone remember when?)

Of course GoW could just be sending us altered screenshots...

[Aeson]

I just went back and looked, 850BC was when they made the jump from average.

(disclaimer: I don't know exactly how the military advisor works, so these are mainly best guesses... but I think they are pretty close)

We were at 9 warriors, 2 wc's, and 2 Spearman. Say a 17 on the military advisor.

We know Vox had at least 2 Immortals, 3 Spearmen, and 3 Warriors at the time. Say a 20 on the military advisor (and I think 17 to 20 is about the point where average becomes weak) with only those units. They probably could have had 3-5 more Warriors (built that turn, and to cover the military advisor +/- %). They couldn't have built more Warriors after that point without cutting of their city from Iron (possible)

That's turn 87... giving them 8 turns to buildup/upgrade. Before then, they really didn't have many troops to ferry. That only gives them 1 or 2 roundtrips to drop off units before they have to take the next batch down to hit our E coast observer. So them having 4 extra Immortals down by Dissidentville fits rather well.

They couldn't have pop rushed too much, as their score wasn't high enough for more than 1 or maybe 2 rounds of it in each city given their city sizes now. Besides, it's terribly inefficient to pop rush an Immortal without 10 shields of production into it at that point (2 pop points instead of 1). So lets say they got out 10 more Immortals pop rushed (generous) or regularly built (their size 4 cities could have built Immortals at about a 4 turn per rate).

I'd say if they focused completely on Immortals from 850BC on, they have at max, 22 Immortals overall.

Assuming GoW's not lying to us and sending us faked shots:

1 now dead
1 accounted for on the E coast

4 in Dissidentville or the tile 3 of it
3 on their way from their stop on BoB, probably near the isthmus.
2 which were upgraded in Dissidentville or will be this turn.
4 which we see guarding the workers, probably ferried around Grog's view on the E coast.

Leaving 7 unaccounted for or never built. They would only have 3 spears overall in this scenario. I don't think they could possibly have mustered more than 25 Immortals worst case. If they did, we probably lose Arashi (with them losing nearly all their units), and take them out rather easily thereafter.

[DeepO]

Assuming they cut of their iron immediately after their first incursion of Bob, how many warriors could they build, 15 or so? That would lead to about 20 immortals max, if all of them get upgraded. 25 really is a worst case scenario, I don't think they will get that far in troop size. Still a formidable force to face right now, although I agree they wouldn't get far.

DeepO

[Theseus]

NO WAY.

[notyoueither]

Why?

With RP dollars backing them since the incursion on Bob?

How do we think the Bobians convinced Vox to give a city, and future prospects, away?

Maybe Lego is backing them as well.

[Aeson]

Cutting off their Iron to build Warriors is possible, but if they thought we might hit them it would be terribly risky, and it isn't much faster than pop rushing the Immortals (short term, and long term isn't going to matter).

To pop rush you need the 10 shields and a pop point, to upgrade you need the 10 shields and 40g. In both cases (assuming they have sufficient funds for upgrading) it's the production that limits their numbers for the first few rounds of units.

[nbarclay]

Keep in mind that RP doesn't have an unlimited bankroll. The question is, how much gold would they be willing to give Vox for a war where their own stake is merely indirect? It wouldn't be a bad idea to be paranoid and prepare for the possibility of an almost unlimited bankroll to finance Voxian upgrades, but in practice, I'm not expecting Vox to be able to switch to warriors and upgrade to immortals at will. Even ten upgrades is 400 gold, and that's probably RP's entire GNP for upwards of ten turns.

Nathan

[notyoueither]

Is anyone else researching?

Have there been any other tech deals in the pipe line other than us shopping Feudalism?

Who is working on Engineeriing? Theology?

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by DeepO
Assuming they cut of their iron immediately after their first incursion of Bob, how many warriors could they build, 15 or so? That would lead to about 20 immortals max, if all of them get upgraded. 25 really is a worst case scenario, I don't think they will get that far in troop size. Still a formidable force to face right now, although I agree they wouldn't get far.

DeepO

crazy thought:

if they cut the road, would probably cut on the grass near eli, 2 of the three are visible from the western sea.....

so.......

what say we ask GoW to check it out.

who knows, maybe we find something. maybe not. but not a big loss, we have 2-3 more turns of them watching right?

[Aeson]

I'd prefer they stay where they are... nothing gets past them on the road that way.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Aeson
I'd prefer they stay where they are... nothing gets past them on the road that way.

but surely the bulk of the vox army has already passed, give them a little credit

Aren't you curious? I am. If we discovered that vox cut the iron, then we know more of their war pattern. Its only one turn, anyway. plus, vox won't know the timing anyway (unless GoW tells them) and won't have a chance to very their move patterns.

why not take a shot?

[notyoueither]

Too bad GoW has already moved.

I wonder what useless shot of a dog and three fleas we will get this turn.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Too bad GoW has already moved.

What do you think about asking them that for the next turn? Is it a ridiculous idea? Seriously, I feel like I'm whistling in the wind with a lot of my ideas around here.