Turn 92, 725 BC

[nbarclay]

Originally posted by FrustratedPoet
Exactly, it is a gamble, but one certainly worth taking. Odd of 61% are acceptable IMHO - and the benefit of getting to our GA a few turns early would make a big difference at this stage.

More like a gigantic difference. Getting in our GA four turns earlier could prove to be critical if Vox's claims that they are invading Bob are a lie.

[alva]

If we loose both battles, we should move our (iron) warrior 3.
(WC retreats-> IM attacks WC-> get countered by (iron) worker.

[nbarclay]

If our initial WC retreats and gets killed by an immortal, we have three WCs that could move into position to attack. (We really should have had all our WCs where the one that's in a position to attack now is.)

The worst case situation would be if the WC gets killed rather than retreating (which is probably actually the more likely outcome if it doesn't win) and then Ouch loses. That combination would give Vox a veteran immortal. But odds are in our favor, and fighting battles on favorable odds when practical is an opportunity to be forfeited only when there is a clear expectation of better odds later.

I've got to get some sleep. I'll check back in before I go to work.

[alva]

We don't have a Mutual defense agreement signed with anyone, have we?
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And should we look for some extra gold from some other teams?
Something that could pay for to go ahead for feudalism while being able to keep rushing a couple more units.
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Can we get Lego to officially to declare war on VoX (might hold others from geting any funny ideas, if they havn't had already of-course)

[Shiber]

Military: the plan to attack the reg immortal with a WC and then get Grog to flee, or attack the reg immortal with Grog if the WC fails seems excellent. The odds are in our favor, and we get to our GA earlier, while Vox would have to wait at least several turns before they can get their own GA (if at all). Of course, that's assuming that they're not already in their GA, which is likely, since if any immortal battles took place we should have heard about it (rants like "Our Immortals ARE immortal!" from Voxians or "Your Immortals are not immortal after all!" from Bobians).
Our advantages: we've got several advantages over Vox. We have double their amount of cities; we are ranked 1st place in Mfg. Goods, GNP and Productivity, while Vox is ranked last in all or second to last (more likely last in all those categories if you ask me, with the scores and info from Vox's maps taken into consideration); Vox have been pop-rushing spearmen in Dissidentville (and possibly in other cities), which means that they might get a short-term, defensive advantage, but it won't last in the long term; and finally, we've got a great road network, while the immortals will be treading at 1 tile per turn.
Getting extra gold to go ahead for Feudalism: yesterday, MasterZen told me that GoW would be really interested in a deal where they'd get Feudalism very very soon and before anyone else on Bob. If they pay us the regular 200 gold, plus 50-60 gold for getting Feudalism first and within ~3 turns, and if they do it this turn, then I think we can continue researching at full or near to full speed while still making enough money to rush the aqueduct and upgrade warriors.
Lego: dunno how getting Lego to declare war on Vox could possibly help.

[alva]

The Lego thing could hold others from swithching sides..

[Shiber]

Maybe... but they would probably require some payment in exchange for this. I don't think we can afford buying alliances which have mostly a psychological effect (IMHO).
If we could get it for free though (or in exchange for some intelligence or other items that don't really cost anything), then I'm all for it!

[alva]

How about we protect them from being invaded from Vox

[Shiber]

May I send GoW a diplomatic message, asking if they'd be willing to pay extra if we could deliver Feudalism in 3 turns and give it to them several turns before anyone else will have it?

[alva]

Let's not start doing things to hastely.

[FrustratedPoet]

Yeah, for all we know GoW could be at war with us in a few turns. We're still not certain that they don't have an alliance with Vox against us.

[Shiber]

I posted a draft on the GoW comments thread. Please comment ASAP.

[Arrian]

Definitely hit the southernmost immortal with our WC. If we kill him, great. If we knock him to 1 hp, hit him with the warrior. If not... I guess we try to have the warrior run away.

All development plans are now out the window. We need an army, pronto.

-Arrian

[nbarclay]

Shall I go ahead and do the WC attack before I go to work so the rest of the planning can take into consideration whether or not we're in our GA? Edit: That would have an especially huge effect on our prospects of being able to deliver Feudalism quickly while still upgrading our warriors.

[Aeson]

I don't think we should abandon our economy completely.

Cyclone should switch to Workers right now. It may be some time before we can reasonably afford to Settle any more city sites. EotS to a Barracks is a good idea, but we'll need the extra workers to get it up to 30 shields per turn. Hurricane is going to be available to flood with Horsemen and Swords in just 6 turns, with EotS pitching in shortly after.

Instead of building up Tempest, lets get EotS built up ASAP. All (or most) Workers near Tempest head to EotS. This doubles as helping us keep our defenses more focused, not having to worry about defending the Workers. We need to mine each of the plains, and pump up EotS to size 12. Should take us 3-4 turns. Our Sword upgrades can hold out until then. With 2 cities pumping out a Horse/Sword every turn starting in 5 (I think our GA would cut off a turn, possibly 2, on the Pyramids) we can roll over Vox.