Government School of Code and Cypher

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[20:11] Nimitz: how RP doing
[20:12] Aidun_cleaning_up_his_room: Not very good
[20:12] Nimitz: what happened
[20:12] Aidun_cleaning_up_his_room: Republicans are trying to set fire to the palace

Aidun then gave Nimitz a description of what is going on in RolePlay RP-wise, of how the army is trying to take control of the situation and rioters are being killed and repressed and so on. If they're roleplaying the sprouts of revolution, it means that they expect to get Republic soon, either by researching it or by acquiring it.

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Posted on the saved games thread:

Sent to Ghengis Farb, Donegeal and Hot Enamel.
We declared War on the Barbarians.

Sent to Togas, oliverfa, Catsup and Dejon.
Check out all the Barbarian Horsemen..............
There's like 40 something of them right above Lego. Hey, how come we didn't get any uprisings? Oh, I guess we had to have barbarian camps for that.

Sent to Dissident & Betahound.
We have found two STACKS of barbarian horsemen ... thanks a lot for going into the middle ages, guys :/
--Togas

Brace for impact!

Btw, it seems that RP was unprepared... good!!

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Konquest02 posted in the Vox recruitment thread:

I'm proud to announce the fact that Vox has a new member, me!

So it looks like we'll meet again in the game!

--Kon--

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Togas, Aidun and NuclearisWinterius have been chatting for quite a while now in #civ3rp. Togas is currently at work, yet he's actively participating in the chat, which means that the discussion is very important (obviously).

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Chatting with MasterZen of GoW.
He's a very nice guy, and we have some common interests. Most of the chat is personal, so I won't post it, but I can sum up some relevant facts that I managed to pull out:
1. GoW is afraid of Vox's immortals. They too have been listening to the military advisor lately, it seems.
2. GoW is interested in Feudalism. MasterZen tells me that the way things are looking so far, they'd take our price for it (dunno if they'd pay with cash or gpt yet, though).
3. MasterZen seemed absolutely excited when I mentioned that we could get Feudalism within 3 or 2 turns, if only GoW was willing to cover our additional expenses.

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Chats with Panzer32 and Togas, times are GMT+2:00.
Note Panzer32 squirming when I ask for details about Vox's attacks. Note Togas spilling the beans about GoW's tech desires.

[21:27] Panzer32: has your team discussed the Feudalism proposal?
[21:27] Shiber: I trust it that you fare well.
[21:27] Shiber: Port Isolation hasn't fallen, has it?
[21:28] Panzer32: No. There is plenty of defensive terrain around there.
[21:28] Shiber: But your city is not even on a hill.
[21:29] Panzer32: We get immortals with horsemen, the turn after they land.
[21:29] Shiber: Plains don't provide that much protection, and Vox have landed straight on that hill.
[21:29] Panzer32: I mean, before they can move.
[21:29] Shiber: You had your horsemen ready in Port Isolation for such a case?
[21:30] Panzer32: Its not the most optimal situation; Vox placed that city poorely
[21:30] Shiber: You had horsemen in Port Isolation, and attacked the immortals while they were on hills?
[21:30] Shiber: You must be very lucky. How many immortals did you scrath?
[21:30] Shiber: *scratch
[21:31] Panzer32: Yes, we had at least 3 horsemen right around there, and more are on their way.
[21:32] Panzer32: The thing is that Vox wants the area north of Port Isolation, so they haven't dropped off all of their troops right at PI.
[21:32] Panzer32: Then, of course, they are spreading out their forces with attacking both of us.
[21:32] Shiber: Regarding the tech deal, I suggest that you send us a confirmed offer for 100 gold and 5 gpt (confirmed so we could have the gold immediately next turn, otherwise we can't research at full speed, since our coffers are nearly empty and we need cash to burn through)
[21:32] Shiber: Panzer32, how many immortals have you sighted? And killed?
[21:33] Panzer32: so, GS accepts the deal?
[21:33] Shiber: Panzer32, I can't say yet, but we certainly can't pull it off if you don't send an approved in-game proposal *this turn*.
[21:34] Shiber: I can assure you that should we choose not to accept the deal after all, we will deny the gold.
[21:34] Panzer32: Actually, I don't really look too often at the save; I believe we've got 2 or 3 so far.
[21:34] Shiber: We're not going to pull a fast one on you there, lol
[21:34] Shiber: Panzer32, can you have a look please?
[21:34] Shiber: I thought you weren't getting the saves anymore at all.
[21:35] Panzer32: I get them forwarded from GF
[21:36] Shiber: Can you have a look please?
[21:37] Panzer32: yes. I just need to save the saves from email.
[21:38] Shiber: Btw, you realize that your team will be obliged to a 10-turn NDA on Feudalism from the moment that you receive it, right?
[21:40] Panzer32: NDA = no trade, right?
[21:41] Shiber: Correct.
[21:41] Panzer32: ok, I looked at the save.
[21:41] Shiber: As in our previous dealings.
[21:41] Panzer32: I thought it was 7 turns
[21:41] Shiber: Since we are providing Feudalism earlier, we want to increase the NDA's duration to 10 turns.
* At this point the server was reset and everyone got disconnected. When I got back, Panzer32 wasn't there. Probably ran home to GhengisFarb and posted on the GoW forum asking what he should tell me ("umm, let me just open the save here… and ask GF what the hell to do!!").

[21:40] Shiber: May I ask you something?
[21:46] Shiber: Togas, may I ask you something?
[21:47] Togas: sure
[21:48] Shiber: How certain are you that Vox aren't really invading Bob?
[21:48] Shiber: That "Operation McArthur" is just a ruse.
[21:48] Togas: pretty sure
[21:48] Togas: but not 100%
[21:48] Shiber: Can I ask for your sources? If that's not too much.
[21:48] Togas: what services, exactly?
[21:49] Shiber: services?
[21:49] Togas: oh, sources! sorry
[21:49] Togas: My sources are the public PTW boards and other nations we've chatted with.
[21:49] Togas: I don't have any secret sources or anything.
[21:50] Shiber: I'm having strong suspicions that GoW are collaborating with Vox on this one.
[21:50] Togas: it's possible, GoW likes to get involved with everything
[21:50] Shiber: They are telling us that they are fighting Vox, but when asked for details, Panzer32 started squirming and providing excuses.
[21:50] Togas: but GoW wouldn't want Vox on Bob, so if they are collaborating, that means Vox won't be invading bob
[21:51] Shiber: I got disconnected by mistake (possibly been DoS'ed by Panzer32 so he could get away; the machine I'm using is an unprotected Windows ME) and when I got back, Panzer32 was gone.
[21:51] Togas: I got discon too
[21:51] Togas: I think apolyton reset or something
[21:51] Shiber: Ohh. "Reset by peer"?
[21:51] Shiber: Ahh well.
[21:52] Shiber: and I was about to say "It's too bad that I don't have a firewall or at least a packet logger on this machine so I could know for sure"!! lol
[21:52] Shiber: I'm just a paranoid geek
[21:53] Togas:
[21:55] Togas: Anyhow, if you think Gow is involved ... what will GS do? Do you feel GoW presents much of a threat?
[21:56] Shiber: To GS? Absolutely not.
[21:56] Shiber: Oh, btw, they've been trying to sell you Feudalism, right?
[21:56] Togas: they say they're researching it.
[21:57] Shiber: GoW is lying. They are violating an NDA.
[21:57] Shiber: I suggest that you don't buy Feudalism from them. Our price is low enough, and we can spread the payments to just gpt.
[21:58] Togas: Nice. Lego told us that another team is researching it ... probably GoW. But Lego could be wrong.
[21:58] Shiber: GoW were researching it, but they stopped about five turns ago.
[21:58] Togas: doesn't surprise me. They need cash for Riders.
[21:58] Shiber: In any case, even if they didn't stop back then, and kept researching at full speed, they would still need at least five more turns from now to complete Feudalism.
[22:00] Togas: True, but money is the issue
[22:00] Togas: You see, we have Monarchy. GoW doesn't.
[22:01] Togas: They want it. Therefore, we have potential for a decent trade.
[22:02] Togas: we've spent too much on tech, are burdened with GPT deals right now, and are warry of new ones.
[22:06] Shiber: Why is GoW so eager for Monarchy?
[22:06] Shiber: The free unit support issue?
[22:06] Togas: It's better than despotism
[22:07] Shiber: Yes, but not as nifty as Republic.
[22:07] Togas: bah
[22:07] Togas: Republic is for wussies
[22:07] Shiber: Reason?
[22:07] Togas: Warmongers prefer Monarchy
[22:07] Shiber: War weariness?
[22:10] Shiber: Togas, are you there?
[22:10] Togas: yes
[22:11] Shiber: Do you think that WW is one of the reasons that they are preferring Mon. over Republic? (if you are allowed to say)
[22:11] Togas: no idea
[22:15] Shiber: Well, it's been a pleasure, but I must leave now. RL is calling.
[22:15] Shiber: Gotta study some Physics.
[22:16] Togas: Take care
[22:16] Shiber: Take care
[22:16] Shiber: lol!!
[22:16] Togas:
[22:16] Shiber: See you around
[22:16] Togas: later

Am I correct in thinking that War Weariness is disabled in MP?

[Aeson]

GhengisFarb: Are you there?
Aeson: Yes, I am now. Sorry for the delay in response (if there was one)
GhengisFarb: We received an offer from Shiber for Feudalism in two turns if we give you 100 gold up front and 5 gold per turn. Is this correct?
Aeson: Let me check the forum, I don't think we've officially decided on any offer yet though.
Aeson: this is what I think you are referencing: "Shiber: Regarding the tech deal, I suggest that you send us a confirmed offer for 100 gold and 5 gpt (confirmed so we could have the gold immediately next turn, otherwise we can't research at full speed, since our coffers are nearly empty and we need cash to burn through)"
Aeson :I have to say one thing, I think Shiber's math is off
Aeson: it would be 3 turns almost surely.
GhengisFarb: A one turn difference isn't a big deal I just want to know if the offer is valid, in which case I will send our side (100gold and 5gpt) and click accept this turn so that you have the money your next turn.
Aeson: It would have a 10 turn NDA according to what Shiber said.
Aeson: longer NDA because you would be getting it earlier
GhengisFarb: Like we want to give it to anyone, we won't to keep ND from getting it as long as possible as whichever of us gets Chivalry first has the edge in our upcoming war.
Aeson: I'm not able to officially decide these things either, so I can't give confirmation. The issue is up for debate in our forum right now. Do you have the save at this point?
GhengisFarb: Yes, this is the only thing holding us from sending it on.

GF contacted me in chat. Just thought I'd post this. They are holding the save and would agree to a 10 turn NDA, sending us 100g + 5gpt this turn. We would send them Feudalism in 3 turns.

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Originally posted by vondrack
690BC savegame from Legoland now with Sir Ralph and nbarclay of Gathering Storm.

Legoland celebrates.

Uhh... why do they celebrate?

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Posted on the PTWDG "Who has the save?" thread:

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
Sent to Togas, oliverfa, and Dejon.

Sorry it took so long, decisions decisions. So many undefended cities, so little time.

War?

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Eli sent this via ICQ:

So... Why did you leave all your cities undefended just to protect Arashi?

[nbarclay]

From GF in the turn thread:

Evil Stormchickens! A nice old lady invited Mad King Donegeal and an Ambassador in for tea, only she laced it with arsenic first and poisoned them both!

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Originally posted by rendelnep
Dear Editor,
I wish to complain about the press coverage of the war between VOx Controli and Glory of War. I am admittedly a membeer of neither team but wish to complain about the abborrently blantant press censorship during this conflict. From what I gather Chickens and cows (which aren't There) are catapulting bananas at mythical immortals (oF which I frankly do not believe IN) while commiting sucide by attacking the enemy. This picture in my humble opinion suggests that either countries both have lead pipeing and as a result are becoming mentally retarded or this war is totally fictional and they are all coming to get us by catching us unaware because they are forming a evil conspircy.
Please, as civilized rational human beings, tell the truth otherwise many foreigners will mistrust you and probably kill you in another confusing and bloody campaign of which the world has never seen.

Yours Angerily,
Rendelnep, Tunbrige Wells, Legoland

They're suspecting that this war is fake?
If rendelnep is honest about this, then this puts Lego out of the list of civs that may be sponsoring Vox.

How should we reply to this? (discuss somewhere else)

[FrustratedPoet]

I didn't even know that GoW and Vox were pretending to be at war.

Where did they get that from?

[alva]

He probably mixed up team names.

From GF:

Whoah there, buddy. I don't know that I would necessarily consider GoW and GS at war. We had a deal that allowed our ships to travel unmolested and we agreed not to attack GS. A GS member stated in casual conversation that if we ever landed our Horsemen they would kill them.

We landed our Horsemen on an undeveloped hill to get a better view of their interior and they killed them. We never declared war, and while they technicially had to to attack the Horsemen, it was something they said they would do previously so I don't necessarily hold it against them. Whether we are at peace or war is irrelevant as we have no visible trade route.

[FrustratedPoet]

Quote from Hot_Enamel:

The threat by GS to kill GoW horsemen if they landed in GS territory peeved a few GoW members, so we decided to land a peace keeping observer and an official GoW war reporter to see what would happen. We figured GS would not really want bring a third civ into the war against them...especially since we gave our word that we would not harm them.

But I guess they are arrogant enough to believe that they can take on 2 teams. The GoW are currently accessing their retaliation options.....

The game mechanics show that we are at war...but retaliation / retribution can come in many forms....and can come at any time.