Government School of Code and Cypher

[Lawrence of Arabia]

The Government School of Code and Cypher (GSC&C) was opened today. Its job is to train its students how to . . . *ah fergeti about it*

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This is a LOG.

the GSC&C is now open.Here is the discussion thread

[alva]

Keep this thread just for logs, open a new thread for discussions about it and link to from your first post.

Oh, and add something like "don't post in this thread blahblah"

So people, this a case of 'do as I say, don't do as I do'

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Intercept 1

flash9286: i used to be in vox
LoA: why did u leave?
11:09 AM flash9286: it was boring
11:09 AM LoA: were u guys winning?
11:09 AM flash9286: i dont know
11:10 AM LoA: heheh
11:10 AM flash9286: i heard yall were getting beat
11:10 AM LoA: oh well
11:10 AM LoA: really? from who?
11:10 AM flash9286: people
11:11 AM LoA: like . .. ?
11:11 AM flash9286: havent u got two cities razed
11:11 AM flash9286: cant remeber there names
11:11 AM LoA: yeah we do
11:12 AM flash9286: i play aoe2 know instead of civ

Recorded 2/23/03 at 11:10 PST in #Vox - Lux Channel

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Intercept 2

12:11 AM GhengisFarb-AFK: Theres a Lux Hunt chasing Lux's settler they formed to abandon their capital and there only city is surrounded

Recorded 2/23/03 at 12:11 PST in #civ3dem

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Intercept 3

12:12 AM GhengisFarb-AFK: No one has touched any Lux city except Lux
(12:12 AM --> shiber *sniff* i love this job)
(12:13 AM * Shiber * yeah )
12:13 AM E_T: ROFLMAO
12:13 AM GhengisFarb-AFK: I don't think Lux has gotten into combat yet
12:13 AM E_T: THey aren't making it atleast difficult for ND
12:14 AM GhengisFarb-AFK: ND hasn't got to fight anything
12:14 AM GhengisFarb-AFK: Remeber in the Hobbit there was a battle of 5 armies?
12:14 AM GhengisFarb-AFK: Lux is a battle of 1 army

Recorded 2/23/03 at 12:14 PST in #civ3dem

[Shiber]

GhengisFarb-AFK: Theres a Lux Hunt chasing Lux's settler they formed to abandon their capital and there only city is surrounded

Recorded at 2/23/03 20:13 GMT #civ3dem.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Intercept 4

01:56 PM LoA: trip you are loosing to ND? which team are u on?
01:57 PM Trip: Lux
01:57 PM Trip: and no, we're doing fine
01:57 PM LoA: oh yeah
01:58 PM LoA: didnt u guys raze two of your own cities?
01:58 PM Trip: nah, all of 'em
01:58 PM LoA: and now you have like a settler running away from everyone else
01:58 PM Trip: hehe
01:58 PM Trip: what team are you on?
01:58 PM LoA: gs
01:59 PM --> trip didnt u want lux to sell you guys a city?
02:00 PM --> trip no sorry not lux, i mean vox
02:00 PM * Trip * hehe
02:00 PM * Trip * perhaps
02:00 PM * Trip * but do not let this be known
02:01 PM --> trip well actually, i may have a proposal for you
02:02 PM * Trip * okay
02:02 PM --> trip what sort of assets do you guys have left?
02:03 PM * Trip * fairly large treasury
02:03 PM * Trip * why?
02:04 PM --> trip in return for allowing that city to be bought, we may need a little cash
02:05 PM * Trip * well, not sure if that's possible
02:05 PM --> trip you see, we have a little border agreement with vox and if you go and set up camp there, that may be a problem for us
02:05 PM * Trip * we've already transferred our treasury
02:05 PM --> trip we would therefore need a little compensation
02:05 PM * Trip * we also have no intentions of violating that treaty
02:05 PM * Trip * Vox is skeptical of us dealing with GS
02:05 PM * Trip * and GS is skeptical of us as well
02:05 PM * Trip * it's an interesting situation
02:05 PM --> trip its like a love triangle
02:06 PM --> trip in a bad novel
02:06 PM * Trip * hehe
02:06 PM * Trip * exactl
02:06 PM * Trip * y
02:06 PM --> trip how many turns do u estimate before the other civs catch up to your settler and capture it?
02:07 PM * Trip * 1 :P
02:07 PM LoA: so we have to move quickly
02:07 PM --> trip hehe woops
02:07 PM * Trip * yep
02:07 PM * Trip * not good
02:08 PM --> trip one of the issues that GS has with you setting up camp there is that it will take out an iron resource
02:08 PM * Trip * what do you mean?
02:08 PM --> trip this of course would tip the balance of power on our continent. could you tell me exactly how do you wish to expand once if yo uget that city?
02:09 PM * Trip * we are going overseas
02:09 PM * Trip * we've found another location to settle
02:09 PM * Trip * we have no intention of staying on your continent
02:09 PM * Trip * so you need not worry about our interference
02:09 PM --> trip oh ok that definitly makes GS feel better
02:09 PM * Trip * yes
02:09 PM * Trip * we're not staying, don't worry
02:11 PM --> trip so perhaps as compensation, we could get a map of say your new continent
02:12 PM * Trip * perhaps
02:12 PM * Trip * we shall see
02:12 PM * Trip * Lux desires a friendly relationship with all
02:12 PM * Trip * especially our new neighbors
02:13 PM --> trip i think this deal could be excellent for both of our great nations
02:13 PM * Trip * indeed
02:14 PM * Trip * why did GS want contact with Lux?
02:14 PM * Trip * it has made Vox very suspicious
02:14 PM --> trip GS desires a friendly relationship with all
02:14 PM --> trip Vox has no reason to be afraid
02:15 PM --> trip we have no intentions of attacking them
02:15 PM --> trip and keep that on the down low. we dont want civs to percieve us as an easy target
02:15 PM * Trip * they fear that we may give you the city after we leave
02:15 PM * Trip * and the fact that you wanted contact with us just before we asked has made them suspicious
02:15 PM * Trip * perhaps you could give them a reason?
02:16 PM * Trip * Lux itself was surprised that you wanted contact
02:16 PM --> trip i think we will give them a reason
02:16 PM --> trip ill talk to our leaders
02:16 PM * Trip * okay
02:16 PM * Trip * we don't want Vox upset
02:17 PM --> trip or us upset either
02:17 PM --> trip hehee
02:17 PM --> trip who do you think is the greatest threat to the world right now?
02:17 PM * Trip * ND
02:18 PM * Trip * they will conquer the continent before too long
02:18 PM --> trip is there an alliance against them?
02:18 PM --> trip something to conterbalance them?
02:19 PM * Trip * no
02:19 PM * Trip * GoW is trying to appease them
02:19 PM * Trip * RP is building forces
02:19 PM * Trip * they will probably destroy GoW before too long
02:20 PM --> trip i guess gs was lucky not to be on the same continent as ND
02:20 PM * Trip * hehe, yes
02:20 PM * Trip * they were very paranoid
02:20 PM * Trip * now they're reacting

Recorded 2/23/03 at 14:19 PST in #civ3dem

[FrustratedPoet]

I thought this was interesting.

Quote from Trip about defending our capital with a warrior in the ISDG:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?postid=1758546#post1758546

Lux walked in on GoW's and ND's undefended capitals. I won't allow the same to happen to Apolytonia in this game. Until we're sure of barbs and other teams and their locations, we need to have Apolyton defended or within range of defense at all times.

[Shiber]

I caught Trip while engaged in some chit-chat with BFM and Nimitz. Apparently he's telling everyone that Lux has a roaming settler.
Btw, Lux is holding the save. Perhaps this will give us extra time to finalize the deal with ND, and to make sure that RP will have Literature by the time they receive our proposal if we send it on 1450 BC.

[alva]

Some more info from the ISDG
posted by realpolitic (GoW)
It's not really new, still it could be interesting for some:

realpolitic :
When do we garrison our city?

GoW made the mistake of building a barracks instead of protecting our capital, when a warrior came by, we were luckyto negotate a peace treaty albeit under unfavorable terms. We are not playing against stupid AI, so I suggest we garison the city by our 3rd warrior. Let's discuss when the best time to do this is.

Oh, and Shiber, maybe make a comments thread for this one too (and a link to it)

[Shiber]

Interesting chat with Vondrack. Reveals some info about the atmosphere inside Legoland.

[14:58] * vondrack|back_at_1amGMT is now known as vondrack
[15:00] Shiber: heeey!
[15:00] vondrack:
[15:00] vondrack: hi
[15:00] Shiber: howrya?
[15:00] Shiber: geez, look at me,
[15:00] Shiber: an israeli that speaks like a redneck
[15:01] vondrack: hehe
[15:01] vondrack: a bit tired today
[15:01] vondrack: but okay
[15:01] vondrack: u?
[15:01] Shiber: wonderful
[15:01] vondrack: good for you
[15:01] Shiber: lol
[15:01] vondrack: I have some tough time in Lego these turns
[15:01] Shiber: how come?
[15:02] vondrack: membership growing a bit nervous
[15:02] vondrack: about our lead diminishing
[15:02] vondrack: that pay too much attention to the scores, I think
[15:03] Shiber: i'm not sure i understand
[15:03] vondrack: I mean
[15:03] Shiber: what do you mean by 'membership growing a bit nervous'?
[15:03] vondrack: they start to worry about the way we play
[15:03] vondrack: our members
[15:03] vondrack: fellow Legos
[15:03] Shiber: who pays to much attention to scores?
[15:04] vondrack: well, they do
[15:04] vondrack: but seriously, with all the jungle here, it was something to be expected
[15:04] Shiber: still having trouble with barbarians?
[15:04] vondrack: yeah
[15:04] vondrack: loads of them
[15:04] vondrack: razed one camp two turns ago
[15:04] vondrack: one on this turn
[15:05] vondrack: and there is one more
[15:05] Shiber: wow, so you must be getting a lot of gold and veterans
[15:05] vondrack: nah
[15:05] vondrack: gold, yes
[15:05] Shiber: i wouldn't be so worried about the wretched jungle then
[15:05] vondrack: but veterans?
[15:05] vondrack: nope
[15:05] vondrack: well, me neither
[15:06] vondrack: but I am having difficult times keeping my teammates determined
[15:06] vondrack: they start to panick a bit
[15:07] vondrack: looking at the scores, they feel like we must be doing real bad, losing that nice lead...
[15:07] vondrack: not the majority
[15:07] vondrack: but several of them
[15:08] vondrack: requires a lot of explaining, analyzing, and posting...
[15:08] vondrack: anyway
[15:08] vondrack: it's not that bad
[15:08] vondrack: just that it used to be a bit easier to run the team
[15:11] Shiber: must be fascinating, being isolated like this
[15:11] Shiber: i think of all the opportunities...
[15:11] vondrack: hehe... everything has its upsides and downsides
[15:12] vondrack: just think of how much behind we must be in techs
[15:12] Shiber: you'll be behind in tech, for sure, but all that gold from the barb huts will let you buy your way into the top
[15:12] vondrack: do you think so?
[15:12] vondrack: I'd think money would not be that highly valued...
[15:12] Shiber: i'm positive
[15:13] vondrack: I heard all the teams over there are now researching Tier 3 techs...
[15:13] Shiber: it's true
[15:13] vondrack: hmmmm
[15:13] vondrack: sigh
[15:13] Shiber: where are you in tech?
[15:14] vondrack: just finishing Iron Working
[15:14] Shiber: OMG
[15:14] Shiber: well, if it improves your feeling, i'm sure that GS will cut you fair prices for techs if we're the first to make contact with your team
[15:15] vondrack: thanks, appreciated
[15:15] Shiber: we've played fair so far and we intend to continue this way until the end of the game
[15:16] vondrack: I understand, glad to hear that

[Shiber]

The conversation continues... Interesting.
Note the part where Vondrack acknowledges E_T's guess, that Lego is #1 in productivity (demographics-wise). I'm absolutely certain that he's lying, because as far as we know, Lego has either 3 or 4 cities right now, and is stuck in a huge jungle. So, we now know that Vondrack is capable of lying...

[16:18] E_T_Waiting: Reminds me of when I was in the SPDG City Planner, I had to spell everything out and still had peopleclambering for more information
[16:19] vondrack: hehe, yes
[16:19] Shiber:
[16:20] E_T_Waiting: the good thing about being so far behind in the techs, is that they will be cheaper to buy
[16:20] E_T_Waiting: or research
[16:22] E_T_Waiting: Like IW, you just started that and now have it done. You'll Probibly do the same with the Wheel
[16:23] vondrack: hmmm... I do not think that techs are getting cheaper
[16:23] vondrack: unless we MEET civs that know them
[16:23] E_T_Waiting: That Way, you know were all of your resources are and can start building those units
[16:23] vondrack: at least IW is exactly 144 beakers for us, no discount
[16:24] E_T_Waiting: well. If anything, your research base is a lot more than everybody esle has
[16:24] E_T_Waiting: *else
[16:26] E_T_Waiting: and that is want you need to emphasize to your people.
[16:27] vondrack: hmm, let's hope you are right... even though I would not be so sure... especially you, RPers seem to be catching up on us quite nicely last turns...
[16:27] E_T_Waiting: It all depends on how you lood at the numbers
[16:27] E_T_Waiting: *loog
[16:28] vondrack:
[16:28] E_T_Waiting: *Look
[16:28] vondrack: I know
[16:28] vondrack: it's not me who's losing faith... )
[16:30] E_T_Waiting: then, just slap them around woth a wet noddle....
[16:30] vondrack: oh, I'm slapping like mad... ))
[16:31] E_T_Waiting: Then don't worry about it, unless the rumbles are enough to get you thrown out of the lego leadership
[16:32] vondrack:
[16:32] vondrack: it's not that bad yet
[16:33] E_T_Waiting: try to make a few of your most outspoken people start doing some number crunching or something, so that he get's a fell for what your talking about
[16:33] E_T_Waiting: *feel
[16:34] vondrack: oh... get Sharpe do some number crunching? that's impossible...
[16:34] vondrack: he just has feelings and concerns
[16:34] vondrack: no number crunching
[16:34] vondrack: )
[16:34] E_T_Waiting: like your F11 Productivity, it must be #1, right
[16:35] vondrack: yes, I think so
[16:36] E_T_Waiting: then make him feel Important, give him a flassy job and let him get distracked by that... Remember, when you can't dazzle then with your brilliance, baffle them with your bull****..
[16:37] vondrack: LoL
[16:37] vondrack: good idea
[16:37] vondrack: just that when he was asked to run for some post
[16:37] vondrack: he said he did not have time enough
[16:37] vondrack: but then was the most often posting member...
[16:37] vondrack: go figure
[16:38] vondrack: I mean - he is often right that this or that could be done in a different way
[16:38] vondrack: but we can?t do everything
[16:38] vondrack: can't
[16:38] vondrack: resources are limited
[16:39] E_T_Waiting: Plus, those F11 scores are hard numbers, you can Have sharpe play with WF assignments and report on what if means (and how far ahaed you are)
[16:39] vondrack: hmmm, that's a good idea
[16:39] vondrack: not only he might feel more comfortable
[16:39] vondrack: but I might get some more intelligence, too
[16:40] vondrack: see, E_T... wouldn't you like to take a part-time job as my personal resource advisor in Lego?
[16:40] E_T_Waiting: AND, if he goes back over the older saves, he can get an idea on if Lego is maintaining it
[16:40] vondrack: I would try arranging that with Togas... )
[16:41] E_T_Waiting: it's lead and who fast the others are catching up
[16:42] E_T_Waiting: That might be possible. but we will have to see about it
[16:42] vondrack: hehe )
[16:43] vondrack: but seriously, you guys are doing great job last turns... it seems like ND is losing breath
[16:43] vondrack: Trip did right burning his own cities, IMHO
[16:44] vondrack: denied them to ND
[16:44] E_T_Waiting: But If you haven't got the Wheel yet, I would research that next, just to get you resorces all online
[16:44] vondrack: ok
[16:45] E_T_Waiting: The problem is that If Trip had stood up to ND, then ND would have lost Swordsmen, It's just a nature of the possiblities
[16:46] vondrack: hmmm... you worried about ND turning upon you?
[16:46] E_T_Waiting: and they would have less Swordsmen to threaten the rest of us with (possibly that is, we are freindly but concerned)
[16:46] vondrack: I see
[16:47] E_T_Waiting: The situation up north was best if Lux hadn't of done everything that they have done
[16:48] vondrack: like overstretching and provoking ND into a war over the horsies?
[16:49] E_T_Waiting: Or I should more approprately, Trip hadn't done the things that he did.
[16:49] E_T_Waiting: yep
[16:49] vondrack: hmmm, I see

Stay tuned.

[Shiber]

[16:51] E_T_Waiting: All of RP that is active in the ISDG is closely watching Trip, because as soon as he makes a dumb move, we are going to shout for his removal so loud that you'ss here it in New Zealand
[16:51] vondrack: LoL
[16:51] E_T_Waiting: *you'll
[16:52] E_T_Waiting: I'm not kidding, none of us voted for him as consul and none of us have want him as MoW
[16:53] E_T_Waiting: We know too many things from the other game to know that we DON'T trust him to make propely rational desisions
[16:53] vondrack: I see
[16:53] E_T_Waiting: but we watch and wait
[16:54] E_T_Waiting: And If I were you, I would keep a watch on him too
[16:54] vondrack:
[16:55] vondrack: sure
[16:55] vondrack: will do
[16:55] E_T_Waiting: Gheingisfarb was saying that Trip had tapped into a Magic Mushroom Resource on Lux land, and frankly, he's really acted like it
[16:57] E_T_Waiting: I kind of thing that's one of the reasons that GF went to CFC, because Trip was in the Poly Team (but I could be wrong on that one....)
[16:58] vondrack: really?
[16:59] vondrack: there are so many other players
[16:59] E_T_Waiting: As I thing, I could be wrong, but it might have been an Influancing factor....
[16:59] vondrack: GF might very well be heard more than Trip
[16:59] vondrack: I guess we'll never find out...
[17:00] E_T_Waiting: I'll try to find out, next time I'm in a chat with GF
[17:00] E_T_Waiting: but that's no telling when that will be
[17:00] E_T_Waiting: Anyways, I have to get going
[17:00] * E_T_Waiting is now known as E_T_AFK
[17:00] vondrack: k, cya

My personal conclusion is that RP is afraid of ND. E_T wished that Trip would have died fighting, so that ND would have lost some troops while fighting Lux units and their power would have been reduced.
Hopefully, the next war on Bob would be fought between ND and RP.

[Shiber]

I'm chatting with GeneralTacticus. Again, I am getting the impression that there is tension and paranoia in Bob.
I'm not going to post the log, it's too long and boring and GT said almost nothing of relevance to the GSC&C.
I seemed interested in the RP team, asked about their inside newspaper, and asked GT to send over a sample article that has nothing to do with the actual game, in hope that he'd send an article that would have any interesting references or insights that he wouldn't notice and which would teach us something. He said that the last newspaper they published was also posted on the PTWDG forum ("The Stone of Spain", you can find it there. The last issue deals with ND and Lux gearing up for war). Furthermore, he has told me that the RP activity within RP is slowing down and that people are becoming more concerned with the game rather than with roleplay.

[Shiber]

Now here's an interesting bit:

[12:53] GeneralTacticus: We had a poll a while ago on whether to let the players from Lux in along with all their money.