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Okay, I decided to break this out of the Vox-comments thread, as it is too important to keep in such an obscure place 
And yes, I thought there were too few polls lately 
The idea: If we can have some sort of a non-agression pact with Vox, and certainly if we can have a border pact that makes it possible for us to not focus on settlers all the time, it might be possible to get to the GL before anyone else can.
Last time I proposed this (first idea was to go for the pyramids), I was certain that we would be first to build it, as we would start on it before anyone else considered it. Now, things have changed a bit, so there are basically 2 options if we go for it: 1) is to try to get it, but without much focus, gambling on the fact that nobody has already started a prebuild. 2) is to assume we're behind, and go all the way, joining loads of workers (Nathan last proposal was 6 workers) to be certain that we will can outproduce any city so well that even if someone has started it, we will produce the GL first.
From the last test scenario (on pyramids), some numbers:
with 3 workers added, we complete the GL in less than 51 turns. With 6 workers, this will likely become less. I started the previous test at size 1, 0 food, while now, Hurricane has already 12 food in the box (as of last screenshot). At size 8, Hurricane produced 16 shields, 14 of those were uncorrupted (size 9: 17 shields, 15 uncorrupted). It took all available furs from EotS. my guess is that (contrary to what I said earlier) we can get it in 40 turns, if we are willing to give all the workers we can to Hurricane. That should build the GL in turn 80 or so, meaning around 1000 BC. I consider that date quite good, I can't remember I had an earlier GL in any of my games thus far, so I doubt that in a MP game anyone is going to beat it.
I hope this shows that if we decide to fully go for the GL, we will be able to do get it, even if someone else already started on it. The only gamble we take is that we have to trust Vox for 40 turns, and we have to hope nobody will create a leader in the mean time
In a normal prebuild, without adding workers, the chance gets a lot worse, as it will delay the GL with some 20 turns, maybe even more. In this case, we will lose the race to any civ with some cows next to it, if they start on it in 10 turns or so.
So, the repercussions of going all the way for the GL is that
- we need a border treaty with Vox, and trust them to keep it
- we need to delay growth: 6 workers means around 3 less cities (which we'll be able to offset fast with Cyclone as extra pump, otherwise the use of a granary in Cyclone is questionable)
- we need to get literature in 40 turns, most likely meaning we need to research literature right after writing
- we need to spend commerce on happyness, so what ever extra commerce we get from a pumped Hurricane will most likely go to happiness, and not to research.
But I dare to say to if we go for it, we will be able to get it too.
Discuss, and vote please
And yes, I thought there were too few polls lately The idea: If we can have some sort of a non-agression pact with Vox, and certainly if we can have a border pact that makes it possible for us to not focus on settlers all the time, it might be possible to get to the GL before anyone else can.
Last time I proposed this (first idea was to go for the pyramids), I was certain that we would be first to build it, as we would start on it before anyone else considered it. Now, things have changed a bit, so there are basically 2 options if we go for it: 1) is to try to get it, but without much focus, gambling on the fact that nobody has already started a prebuild. 2) is to assume we're behind, and go all the way, joining loads of workers (Nathan last proposal was 6 workers) to be certain that we will can outproduce any city so well that even if someone has started it, we will produce the GL first.
From the last test scenario (on pyramids), some numbers:
with 3 workers added, we complete the GL in less than 51 turns. With 6 workers, this will likely become less. I started the previous test at size 1, 0 food, while now, Hurricane has already 12 food in the box (as of last screenshot). At size 8, Hurricane produced 16 shields, 14 of those were uncorrupted (size 9: 17 shields, 15 uncorrupted). It took all available furs from EotS. my guess is that (contrary to what I said earlier) we can get it in 40 turns, if we are willing to give all the workers we can to Hurricane. That should build the GL in turn 80 or so, meaning around 1000 BC. I consider that date quite good, I can't remember I had an earlier GL in any of my games thus far, so I doubt that in a MP game anyone is going to beat it.
I hope this shows that if we decide to fully go for the GL, we will be able to do get it, even if someone else already started on it. The only gamble we take is that we have to trust Vox for 40 turns, and we have to hope nobody will create a leader in the mean time
In a normal prebuild, without adding workers, the chance gets a lot worse, as it will delay the GL with some 20 turns, maybe even more. In this case, we will lose the race to any civ with some cows next to it, if they start on it in 10 turns or so.
So, the repercussions of going all the way for the GL is that
- we need a border treaty with Vox, and trust them to keep it
- we need to delay growth: 6 workers means around 3 less cities (which we'll be able to offset fast with Cyclone as extra pump, otherwise the use of a granary in Cyclone is questionable)
- we need to get literature in 40 turns, most likely meaning we need to research literature right after writing
- we need to spend commerce on happyness, so what ever extra commerce we get from a pumped Hurricane will most likely go to happiness, and not to research.
But I dare to say to if we go for it, we will be able to get it too.
Discuss, and vote please
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