Vox defeated?

[DeepO]

Other things I would like to see added to their proposal:
- Engineering
- Nationalism
- a WM after settling (e.g. 10 turns after Voxodus)

DeepO

[DeepO]

Oh, and a 20 NAP, just for fun

DeepO

[Aeson]

If they send us the information (food/shields in cities, happiness levels, and terrain improvements), I could set up a scenario.

[alva]

No everlasting GPT's??? C'mmon, don't hey have to pay for our expenses???

[Aeson]

They won't have much to give... if they go by planned, they won't have anything actually, at least for quite some time.

Anything we get should be upfront. We shouldn't try and get future concessions, because that gives Vox more incentive to break peace before those concessions are payed off.

[Arrian]

Who is our ambassador to Vox?

-Arrian

[nbarclay]

MSS has always been our ambassador of record, but in practice, I've done most of the negotiating.

[notyoueither]

Should Shiber and I proceed, Nathan? or do you want to take over? We have the save. The clock is ticking.

[nbarclay]

I'm starting a draft, but you'll have to tell me what needs to go in that I'm not thinking of.

[notyoueither]

OK. I'm thinking some chatting may be in order, if possible.

We also need to firm up commitments from Lego as a prerequisite for the main deal.

[nbarclay]

Draft (likely missing some things):

Greetings People of Vox Controli,

It is with mixed feelings that I look upon this day. I am happy that the war is drawing to a close, but saddened that the kind of close relationship that once seemed to make sharing our small continent practical no longer exists.

Since receiving Eli's proposal, several of us in Gathering Storm have taken an active interest in how best to conduct Vox's evacuation. Our goals are not only to make the evacuation rapid, but also to help you regain prosperity as quickly as practical. In particular, one idea that occurred to us is that a combinaiton of a free palace jump to the other continent and a city-gift teleport (putting your units in a city, giving the city to us, and having the units automatically go to your new capital) could get all of your forces provided for under the treaty away without a need to build additional galleys. More importantly, it could make it practical to build settlers in your current core and use them to set up additional cities in your new core quickly. (That could be especially important in avoiding financial disaster from upkeep costs with how many units you want to keep - especially since workers also count as units.) And eliminating the need for additional galleys should speed up the process as well.

Such a technique, in turn, should make it practical to evacuate a population equivalent to your current population in well under 18 turns. We therefore propose that rather than fixing a specific time period, Vox focus its production exclusively on building workers and settlers equivalent to your current population (with settlers counting as two population points, of course, as per standard Civ rules). Once you have done so, we can arrange the transfer of the cities to Gathering Storm in a manner that leaves you and your units in your new home. We would expect you not to go overboard in choosing settlers over workers, but a reasonable number of settlers could make excellent sense to get your new core established quickly.

We would like to ask for one early exception, however. Dissidentville adds almost nothing to your production capacity, and is close enough to our core that we would consider it useful to have control of that location sooner rather than later. We'll very likely want to move the city, in which case disbanding units in order to disband the city with a settler when it grows would leave the area free for us while helping you with your population transfer. And since the duration of the treaty would be based on evacuating population equal to your current population, it would ultimately have no great impact on your overall resettlement plans.

We would also like to ask for two additional concessions from you: the options to get Engineering and the free technology you get on entering the industrial era from you for free if, at the times you get them, we have not already acquired those technologies in some other way. Note that in the case of your free industrial tech, this provision would make it in our interest to have you technologically healthy when we enter the industrial era.

This represents some departure from what Eli sent regarding the exact timing and mechanics of the evacuation. But it should serve the fundamental purpose of evacuating your people to another continent just as well, and perhaps significantly better if it would speed up the process of founding additional cities in your new home.

Just to clarify a point, we hope your intent is that transferrable city improvements be left intact when turning cities over to us. It would, of course, make perfect sense to sell cultural improvements prior to transferring cities since those cannot be taken over by the new owners.

We hope that these amendments to Eli's proposal are acceptable to you. I'm sure our decision to require your emigration is causing some strain in your feelings toward us, much as your surprise attack on us caused a strain in our feelings, but it is my hope that both of our nations can strive to put these things behind us and start looking for opportunities for mutual benefit once more. Perhaps absence can, as the saying goes, make the heart grow fonder.

Sincerely,

The People of Gathering Storm
Nathan Barclay, Chief Economist

[nbarclay]

I'm not going to have much time for this. We may need to play the turn on the assumption that a peace agreement will be reached and leave the exact terms for later.

[notyoueither]

We have 24 hours, Nathan. I suggest we use them, if you can find the time.

[nbarclay]

I can't find much, unfortunately. And about a third of the 24 hours are already gone.

[notyoueither]

Nathan, how fast can Vox depopulate their biggest city to 1 pop without any disbandments?