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  • #16
    huh. Interesting that the Macmillan dictionary defines collusion that way. The word basically means a deceitful or unholy alliance, not necessarily one which is entirely hidden.

    For instance, the Webster's definition merely states that the word invokes an agreement or cooperation for "an illegal or deceitful purpose". The alliance itself may be out in the open, but its purpose is many times the source of the disception

    That's basically what I was getting at... labor (red) getting in bed with nationalism (brown) - a truly unholy alliance
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    • #17
      I expect the Labor Party shall go through it's own 'coming-of-age' in the next month or so. As Chairman, I acknowledge that growth takes time, and ideas and policies take up time as well, to create and enact.

      Aro is the left wing, I myself make up the right wing.

      Everyone here IS a nationalist, be them republicans, old loyalists of the toppled monarch, or supporters of the ages-old despotism, you have no choice. Or would you prefer to defect to the Germans and become a traitor? (btw, if you should defect we'll find you later, and it won't be a pretty site....)

      And everyone here is a Laborer,....
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Aro
        rp mode ON/
        Btw, we aren't Trotskyites (the internationalist wing of the commies. Stalin killed him. Well done.) We are pure Stalinist folks and we gonna kill anyone who... Huh? Oh… Sorry, Meshelic... I don't do this anymore, I promise!
        rp mode OFF/


        Oh, and thank you, jdjdjd!
        Hmm...that's ok Aro!

        I would probably classify myself as a Naryshkinite, following the example of Peter the Great (hence my avatar). Hmm, I'm not russian (part ukrainian, though). Perhaps it's time for another flag change....
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        • #19
          Would the Labor Party be opposed to drafting?

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          • #20
            Good question young skywalker. yoda has taught you well.

            The answer is YES, the Labor Party is absolutely opposed to drafting. Drafting causes unhappiness throughout the nation, and most Conscripts end up being fodder, which we do not agree with, either. We will not support sending inexperienced troops into battle, knowing that their odds of survival are bare to none. We don't wish to cause further grief in the hearts of Apolyton families who's sons have joined the service.

            The Draft runs directly against Labor Party policy #3, which says that we only support an elite or veteran military, so that no money is wasted on average or below average (like conscripts) units.
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            • #21
              ...oh and before anyone says again that this isn't a true Labor Party, I know that. Historically Labor Parties are communist or socialist, but I'm choosing to affect history differently in our game. Since no Labor Party has existed in our game before mine, I'm in the unique position of being able declare what the Labor Party stands for, without necessarily having to be a commie or a socialist.

              Just like you could call yourself a Fascist if you wanted to, and come up with an entirely different definition for it, in the fantasy world of Apolyton. Great freedom there is here in Apolyton. That's why it's the "Apolyton Labor Party". Make sense...?
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              • #22
                Make sense to me.

                I used to be a real commie - a Trotskyite, in fact, so internationalist - three decades ago. You see, we were living under a dictatorship, and so... Guys, forgive my obscure past...

                Today, I'm just an humanist, I believe firmly in music, science, good wills, art, good people, literature, childhood, etc. Moreover, I believe in bad people, too. I believe firmly in protect my family and friends… I believe in compassion and pity, but I also believe in punishment, and that ALL of us were created equal (of course, some of us are more equal than others...) except that I'm a little more beautiful and clever than all of you. And, before someone else say it, older, too...

                That is the fun. We don't have warmongers and builders in RL (well, we have, but that's another story), at least we don’t have Warmonger Parties or Builder Parties (Hmm… I’m not so sure about the warmonger ones...). Anyway, everybody is a warmonger, if the pressure is enough. And, with the exceptions of Palpatine and George W. Bush, everybody is a builder... under the right conditions.

                I’m on the left wing of the Labor Party, just for fun. Sometimes we reproduce some aspects of RL here, and sometimes we don’t.

                rp mode ON/
                The compromises of the Labor Party’s Left Wing:
                1st We’ll disagree of every statement, idea or speech of our estimate chairman, Mr. Meshelic. Sometimes in public, with a smile in our faces, sometimes punching his face in private.
                2nd We strongly support him for the SMC office.
                rp mode OFF/

                See? In this case, we are reproducing exactly the behavior of the parties in RL, when we aren't looking (1st), and when we are (2nd).
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                • #23
                  Nice ideals, Meshelic.

                  But, again, I don't see how you plan to bring the Demogame back to its former glory.

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                  • #24
                    You could always start spamming the other Civ3 forums.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Apocalypse
                      You could always start spamming the other Civ3 forums.
                      Hey, we are spamming our own thread...
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Kloreep
                        Nice ideals, Meshelic.

                        But, again, I don't see how you plan to bring the Demogame back to its former glory.
                        Unfortunately, idealism alone cannot build empires. Sometimes it takes little "nudges" in the right place.
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                        • #27
                          And as for Aro....

                          RP

                          "Those left-wingers are a bunch of fools, riding on the coattails of the right-winged leadership that has triumphed through adversity! I say nay to the naysayers!"

                          Meshelic gives Aro a swift kick in the ass, followed by an "impending doom for you" look.

                          end Meshelic's "swift kick in the ass to Aro" reply RP
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                          • #28
                            RIAA sucks
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                            • #29
                              The Labor Party Chairmanship would like to take this opportunity to announce Aro as Vice-Chairman!
                              Former Supreme Military Commander of the Democratic Apolyton States, Term 8
                              Former Chairman of Apolyton Labor Party

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                              • #30
                                Oh... Thanks! It's my first official position in the game...
                                (the geographic society don't counts; I founded it...)
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