Our spies report that Persia has acsess to Iron

[Aggie]

Thank you aro and shiber I know things are in good hands, also make sure all units are under at least a pike when they move, that way if an immortal shows up on a road we will be safer. I really really don't want a golden age for persia. Also if taking pasargadae doesn't cut off all roads south(by my estimate one goes outside its territory, please use a knight to pillage that road).Thank you E_t this information is very immportant.
Aggie

[E_T]

Originally posted by Aro
The Persians are trading with the Germans and the English. The Germans have TWO sources of Iron, and the English have one source. If they have iron, probably is coming from the Germans.
Btw, E_T, where did you find those spies?

I can't tell you, I'd have to tickle you to death.....My spies are secret...

I just went and asked it they want to deal and it was on the screen. They don't have Horses or Dyes. And they are trading through English roads.

E_T

[Aro]

Anyway, I think I figured out how this deal could be possible. We can trade with the English (the trade advisor says so), but we aren't directly connected with them, the connection pass through the Persian territory! In the same way, they are trading with the Germans through our territory.
Hmmm…btw, if this is possible, we will not stop their trades cutting the roads near Pasargadae, because we are connected with the Persians by many other roads.
Damn!

[Aggie]

that can't be right, because a trade can't go through an enemies territory. Could somebody go back and see for how long they have had iron so we can figure out what they can have. Going backmis legal i presume. Also i think germany must connect to england in the north and thus we are connected to england through germany and persia is conenct the same way.
Aggie

[Aro]

Could our map be outdated, as said by Calc II? In our maps, the English aren't directly connected with anybody, only with the Persians. How can we trade with them?

[GhengisFarb™]

If the Germans and English are connected somewhere that would explain the trade routes.

[Togas]

Our maps might be outdated, however, Persia has potential trade routes to: England, Germany, Greece, Rome, and France ... but NOT the Aztecs, not America, and NOT Russia (who has a harbor).

I'm just as stumped. Especially about the Roman trade option.

--Togas

[Shiber]

Aggie: If England was connected to Germany we'd be able to trade with England as well.

My theory: England is selling its only source of iron to Persia through a road (which we can see on our maps) because they figured they won't need iron for the next 20 turns, now that their wars are over.
Persia's trade agreement with Germany is most likely gpt they're paying for a tech that they bought from Germany.

[Shiber]

Could it be that routes are marked potential even if they pass through enemy territory and they cannot be used right now? It makes some sense, since the route does exist, it just can't be used right now, so essentially it's a potential route...
No, wait, that doesn't explain why they can't trade with Russia. Forget this theory.

This whole thing gets a 13 out of 10 in Shiber's Scale of Weird.

[Zero]

check out sidon a city virtually adjacent to aztec territory... if sidon has harbor by any chance it mite be possible

either way we need updated info on map for us to know whether ai is cheating or not... ai may speed build but im guessing they are not cheating when it comes to trade routes

[Zero]

More importantly, we gotta stop the flow of iron into persian hands. Immortals could still make the campaign ugly and more casualty we take will effect our domestic improvement.

how persia is getting iron is important but how persia may not get iron is more important to me now. and if we can solve without figuring how persia is doing this (i.e some diplomacy with germany) then i wont even care to bother wondering.

[Trevman]

Um, Knights have a defense of 3 and remember just one victory gives them a GA. Or did they already hhave that, can anyone tell me. Anyways, they can inflict some serious casualties if they're lucky.

[E_T]

Originally posted by Shiber
Aggie: If England was connected to Germany we'd be able to trade with England as well.

My theory: England is selling its only source of iron to Persia through a road (which we can see on our maps) because they figured they won't need iron for the next 20 turns, now that their wars are over.
Persia's trade agreement with Germany is most likely gpt they're paying for a tech that they bought from Germany.

That won't work. If you have 1 source of Iron (like we do), and you go to trade with someone that doesn't, then Iron shows up in the screen but with a Quanity of Zero. You don't have any surplus to trade with.

E_T

[Donegeal]

No one (AI or Human) is allowed to trade away their last sourse of anything. If England only has one sourse of Iron, they keep it for themselves. The only country who could be trading Iron to Persia is Germany, as they are the only one with extra Iron.

Germany sends the Iron to a port city with a harbor, it goes to England via an English port city with harbor then goes over road to Persia.

In spite of all this, we must continue our fight for the Pyramids and Lux. At this stage of the war, Persia getting Iron is like the Germans developing the U2 and jet fighters in WWII. Too little, to late.

The only difference to our plan I think we will need to make is more emphisis on upgrading our Horsemen to Knights.

Stay focused!
The Power of the Banana is with us!

[Shiber]

You can trade away your last source of a resource or a luxury. Of course then you won't have it for yourself while the deal lasts.
I tested this with another game and it's true.