Our spies report that Persia has acsess to Iron

[E_T]

With Persia having Iron, THey might be able to upgrade to their UU. We need to consider this when fighting the war.

E_T

[Shiber]

My guess is that the English are trading their only iron source to the Persians.
It would still take them a few turns to produce immortals, and we have knights. Plus, their immortals have only 2 defense and cannot retreat from battle while we can, and their units are most likely regulars.
The Pyramids are too good to give up. We'll have to wait and see what Persia can come up with in terms of troops before we decide to call the war off for a while.

[XOR]

Persia in under terrible pressure from war weariness, this slows their production. They are not religious so if they chose to switch they will have to go trough anarchy. In regent level it's 5 turns, in monarch it's 4. What level are we on? either way its at least a few turns of zero production.

They are also heavily weakened by the war.

Conquering the center of their empire first would certainly make it nearly impossible for them to concentrate even a small number of units to counter attack. Additionaly it would "break" Persia in separate fractions, only one of those fractions would be able to get Iron (IF it gets Iron, taking Pasagradae should cut away all international trade, rite?).

[Shiber]

Emperor; 3.
Good point about war weariness. They must be torn by war weariness by now and have very weak production capabilities.
However, we'd have to cut them off from England completely to cut them off from their supply of iron. Capitals just flip to the next best city when they're captured.

[Sheik]

We should cut off their trade with England for sure. Their UU is also useless for all the reasons Shiber noted.

Are we going to conquer the Persians or weaken them?

[Shiber]

Well, not useless... just not useful enough to turn things around.
Regarding cutting off trade with England: too bad we haven't invented trade embargoes yet...

[Aro]

The Persians are trading with the Germans and the English. The Germans have TWO sources of Iron, and the English have one source. If they have iron, probably is coming from the Germans.
Btw, E_T, where did you find those spies?

[Shiber]

How? They don't have a trade route with Germany.

[Aro]

Originally posted by Shiber
How? They don't have a trade route with Germany.

I don't know how, but they are... See this (is from the last save):

[Shiber]

The bloody Persians must have airports then!

Seriously... I'm confused as much as you are. This simply isn't possible.
I guess the trade with Germany must be some other trade agreement, not one which involves luxuries and/or strategic resources.

[Aggie]

Still this won't make an immediate difference in orders as you will have noticed we are going to pasargadae, from there we will cut of routes south.(that too is in the orders) Those who make the chat please,please make sure forces do do this. Shiber if you make the chat can you make sure this is done.
Aggie

[Aro]

Originally posted by Shiber
The bloody Persians must have airports then!

Seriously... this isn't possible. The trade with Germany must be some other trade agreement, not one which involves luxuries and/or strategic resources.

Yeah, it's really weird. Maybe one of the "strange effects" mentioned in the discussions about the 1.29 patch. I don't know. Could someone with 1.21 look this screen?
Btw, what kind of other trade agreements? Not RoP's, the advisor has a section to this. Are they paying tribute, maybe? A peace treaty with some gpt involved?

[Zero]

It is possible that persian city of sido is attached to nearby aztec city.Im not quite sure how updated of a map i am looking at but if we trade maps with aztecs we could figure this out. Wat is the status between aztecs and persia? and is it possible to trade from persian harbor to third nation who has harbor who has road networked to germany?

[Shiber]

Aggie: Sure. I'll scream like a baby if they defy you unless something REALLY drastic happens, in which case we'll have to stop playing anyway.
Aro: I have 1.21 and I did check it right after I saw your first post. Now at least we know that this isn't a weird 1.29 effect.
Calc II: yes, it's possible, but the Persians don't have a harbor. If they did we'd see an anchor icon next to the city that has a harbor, regardless of the status of our maps.

[Aro]

Originally posted by Aggie
Still this won't make an immediate difference in orders as you will have noticed we are going to pasargadae, from there we will cut of routes south.(that too is in the orders) Those who make the chat please,please make sure forces do do this. Shiber if you make the chat can you make sure this is done.
Aggie

Who is worried? Me?
Absolutely right, Aggie. As you said before, we will have Knights and Swords. And don't worry about the chat, Commander... your orders will be done.
Pasargadae, you're the next!